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What parts should be on it, flat/round bolt, type slide etc.
Eager to learn about this one, never owned an IBM.
367xxxx
What parts should be on it, flat/round bolt, type slide etc.
Eager to learn about this one, never owned an IBM.
Late here..... But for now,
Here's a link to a later one than yours but interesting reading and pictures.
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=51285
IBM used round bolts first (late 43), but yours is early enough that it should have gotten a flat one. As I always say though you never know.
thanks
IBM Barrel?
Is your barrel dated ?
8-43 or 9-43 ?
It is dated 1-44
Go here. The U.S. Caliber .30 Carbines
The really important part is that IBM only made 19 of the 60 something parts, including the receiver(and Auto Ordnance made some of those). So there's no such thing as an "all original" or "all correct" IBM made Carbine. Carbine parts were made by everybody and his brother in small shops all over the Eastern US.
IBM didn't date all their barrels either.
Sunray,
Wouldn't you consider Original as how something was/is presented as a finished, completed, accepted product?
In trying to understand your statement above,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunray
I think the key may be your use of the word 'All',
Has to be because there are Originals and there is Correct.
Original as accepted with the same configuration (correct) of parts in or on it as when it was accepted.
Your statement comes off like you saying the new Ford truck in the driveway isn't a 'Original' Ford because not all the parts were made by Ford ?
If so then the Mona Lisa couldn't be an Original piece of art painted by Leonardo da Vinci, if you take in to account that he didn't make the canvas or oils to paint it.
You grind in your 'No such thing as all original' every time someone brings up the mention of Original. Then refer them to the Collectors forum which includes many of us who have studied the carbines since the 70's. Come on..... give it a rest.
Everyone knows it took the sub contractors supplying the prime makers parts to produce these War time carbines.
For a 3.67 serial number the barrel should be in the 9-43 + range. If the barrel is dated 1-44 then it is not an IBM barrel as IBM stopped dating their barrels after 12-43.
Does your carbine have an adjustable rear sight on it?
Thank you for the response.
This is what I am trying to learn about my new piece.
It has an Inland barrel dated 1-44.
Not knowing anything about IBM, my query was about learning what is supposed to be on this rifle.
It does have an adj. site, and very, very firmly attached
Someone responded and said that only about 16 parts were made by IBM, the rest supplied by others? All one supplier, or numerous vendors.
there are a lot of very knowledgeable experts on here thumper, any one of them is excellent advice, but if painter777 replies to you, I would pay close attention to what he says because he lives and Breaths these carbines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumper
Besides it doesn't much matter in this topic. The OP is swapping parts quicker than we can type these replies.[/QUOTE]
Painter..thank you for your "insight" and critique as a medium, however, you need to take a rest. I have not replaced or swapped any part of this carbine. I am trying to learn about IBM and their part in building this rifle.
Charlie, don't choke on a barrel when breathing. :yikes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jond41403
Lol,I probably shouldn't have worded it that way but he does seem to know his carbines extremely well hahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by JimF4M1s
Thumper,Quote:
Originally Posted by Thumper
Oct 31st over on the CMP forum you gave a lot of detail about a Inland you were checking out at a local pawn store. Included the serial range, condition of the park, type of bolt, frt sight, barrel band, stock, muzzle and chamber measurements, along with how tight the action was...etc. Plus accessories that come with it.
I found an M1 carbine at a pawn shop - CMP Forums
Then nearly a week Before you post it here you had posted (11-2) on the CMP again but this time asking about your new IBM.
I don't blame you for getting multiple opinions, I would do the same.
In that post you asked if a Inland 1-44 barrel could have been original to your new IBM.
Followed by plenty of replies by some of the best in the carbine collecting field.
? about a IBM carbine - CMP Forums
But here you start a topic:
I just came into possession of a IBM carbine tell me about it.
With no description or mention of it's current configuration.
You gave us the makers name and partial serial number and asked "Tell me about it".
Got to admit very minimal information to go by.
Trying to gather more about this IBM from you has been like pulling teeth.
Then I see that 2 hrs after you started this topic that you posted a WTB for a IBM bolt.
We can only guess at what it is that you want to know..... or are up to.
What do you want to know?
Is it how your carbine would have been when accepted?
Or are you trying to research IBM Corporation's War time contributions?
I don't know, can't read your mind even though you seem to believe I have some level of "Medium" skills.
Now I do know that we'd like to see and hear more about your new find.
That's a early IBM and was built in a critical time period for M1 carbines.
I hope it shakes out and is a good one for you.
I'll try a Holiday Inn tonight and get that rest you suggested.
Painter! I can lend you my OUIJA Board if you think it will help! *LOL*!!!!!
Hey Jim!
Thumper and I are cool.
I haunted his place a few evenings..... whispering he had a fairly early IBM with a Inland barrel (that was a replacement)
He's building a shooter and should end up with a nice one. Barrel measures out like a new one.
Good idea on his part looking for a back up bolt.
I do the same for my shooters.
:move eek:********* Sound of foot steps down the hallway********:yikes:
To me, a correct carbine could be a mixmaster arsenal rebuild that fought in Korea or Vietnam. As you obtained it, it was likely issued in that condition before you got it. There is an obsession with "correct carbines" or as they left the factory. Chances are, that condition ceased to exists within months of issue, A stock may have cracked and been replaced in the field. A bolt may have cracked and been replaced bu battalion armorer, a push button safety may have bee replaced. I was a USAF Security Police armorer in the late 70s, and none of out weapons had all original parts. Anyway, to me a arsenal rebuilt mix master is a real piece of as issued (at some point) history. A weapon that has been "restored" with correct parts is no longer a real piece of History. It is something assembled from a bunch of parts by someone in the civilian world.
I had an original Inland that I got from the estate of a WW II officer who fought in Europe. He legitimately had it from the war. Even it had a replaced hand guard and another part ( I forget what), that very well may have been replaced in the war.
Hi IMR
I'm happy just to see all Real USGI parts, no matter the type.
Repo: parts, stamps and wood are killing the hobby.
Seen a L&S catalog the other day online.
They offer Welding up Stake Marks !!.
Yep Charlie, you got that right!
I am not trying to tinkle in your corn flakes, just trying to explain the difference to me as a history teacher and military weapons aficionado and armorer. Let me use analogy. I have my dad's WW2 Class A blouse (jacket), with all his ribbons including his ruptured duck patch. That is a piece of history. He wore it home from Iwo Jima. I have his pistol belt with iron ring on it (signal corps - for the strap around telephone poles). That's history. I have his minefield map and pre-invasion planning map for Iwo Jima he brought home. Those are history. Now if I went to a surplus store and bought a WW II class A jacket, bought ribbons and chevrons off of ebay, etc, that would not be history, It would be a current day "put together representation" of it, even if it was all original stuff, it was not the original stuff for the jacket you bought. Maybe it is the History teacher in me, but it just would not be authentic. I would rather have an arsenal mixmaster from 1952 than a recently assembled correct carbine which is no more than a bunch of parts put together in 2018
I knew a guy who had a late war Inland with type III band, round bolt and Type II rear sight. Based on serial number, it probably came that way from Inland. He screwed it up with a Type I band, flip sight and flat bolt! He wanted it to look like a "real" WW2 carbine should!!!!!
Therein lies the definitions of original As manufactured, Rebuilt as issued, and all correct parts restoration. And then there is the BUBBAized which may or may not have all GI parts. I fully understand what you are saying. Unfortunately, it is often nearly impossible to tell some of these categories apart. A well done restoration can be easily mistaken for an all original as built. Those of us who have been collectors for years can USUALLY tell the difference, but I've been fooled more than once.