I had these for a long time and took some photos, test your knowledge and identify them !
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I had these for a long time and took some photos, test your knowledge and identify them !
Number 2 is easy ...
Chargeur de Fusil Semi-Automatique (F.S.A.) Modèle 1917 R.S.C. (Ribeyrolle,Sutter,Chauchat)
It is made from folded steel (acier plié) produced in black-blueing (bronzé bleu)
The cartridges are Cartouche Modèle 1886 à Balle D (am)
Patrick
Three and five are also no problem, 303 and 30-06
Ishould think four is japanese, possibly for the machine gun? (unless they are a lot larger than the others)
#2 is correct Model 1917 RSC semi auto
#3 is British Mark 11 charger 1st pattern 1906-1916
rest are open to I.D. there is not any 30-06 in the group, #2
was the most difficult to I.D.
I think the first one is for a GEW 88
Model 1888 Commision Rifle is correct, cartridges are headstamped UMC 8 m/m
The one to the far left is a British 303 clip for the #1 and #4 smellys
Far right is the commission rifle
second from the far right is possibly 7,62X56r for the M95??
Dan
Look on the Japanese forum - the far right is pictured - 7.7mm ball had the red color at the case mouth
1) German Model 1888 Commision Rifle 8x57mm
2) French RSC M1917 semi auto rifle 8x50R mm Lebel
3) Lee Enfield Charger II (1906 to 1916)
4) British 8x57mm BESA Tank m/g belt
5) 7.7x58mm Arisaka ball
The belt section is confusing. The rounds appear to be Japanese with pink at the case mouth for ball, black for AP. But the Japanese (AFAIK) didn't use any belt-fed MGs. If the belt is for a Besa, then the rounds are not right for the belt as I don't know of any 7.9 ammo that uses case mouth markings like that.
Jim
When the British decided to use the 7.92x57mm German cartridge in the BESA tank machine gun, they knew that capture German 7.92x57mm could be used in the BESA - my photo shows German WW2 7.92x57mm cartridges in the BESA belt
The headstamps on the German 7.92x57mm cartridges in the BESA belt are:
first; 3 41 emp S* black band at bullet seat
second cartridge is the same
third: 12 37 P S* red band at bullet seat
fourth; 1 40 P25 S* red band at bullet seat
I do not collect 7.92mm German WW2 but could find out these codes
However the Britis had to check with an armourer to know if they could use captured german ammo in the same gun:lol:
On my photo of the BRESA tank machine gun links with German 7.9mm cartridges, you stated that you did not know of any 7.9mm ammo that used case mouth markings like that !
I was able to identify these 7.9mm German cartridges they are as follows:
S.m.k. Tropical pointed bullet steel core two red bands.
S.m.K. L. Tropical steel core tracer black tip with two red bands
S.m.K. GI Spur Tropical night tracer small black tip two red bands
The case mouth colors were the sealant to protect the cartridge in the
tropical climate such as Noth Africa