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Uncommon Japanese bayonets
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May I download these pictures for my private library? If I do post them elsewhere I would be happy to give credit to you for them. With your permission, of course.
Al
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You don't see pole bayonets now. They're just gone. The other...a friend now long gone fought in Korea and stated flatly "We saw a lot of Japanese stuff, that was all I remember seeing"...
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Al,
The photos are from the auctions so I assume they are public as anyone could have accessed them during the auction. I can take some better ones when I have them in hand. Delivery of all the stuff I purchased is spread out from the 14th to the 24th.
These are a couple of bayonets I didn't think I'd ever own, especially the pole bayonet. Every Jinsen just seems to end a lot higher than I want to go and Pole bayonets start out higher than I want to consider. Made him a counter offer and surprisingly, he accepted.
Now I'm watching for a Mukden.
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Today must be bayoporn day.
Very nice indeed.
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Jinsen Korean bayonet arrived. Looks better in person than the photos. Interesting mounting system to the hanger. I'll get some detailed photos up soon.
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My pole bayonet was delivered today but NO ONE WAS HOME. They took it back to the post office. Looks like tomorrow may be a snow day for me so I might just trek on down there in the morning to get it. At least they didn't leave it on the porch where someone could take it. I was a bit concerned about that. With my luck, they'll put it back on the truck and try to deliver it again.
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Originally Posted by
Aragorn243
With my luck, they'll put it back on the truck and try to deliver it again.
And you'll be down there trying to claim it. I doubt it'll make a second iteration, you'll probably find it when you go to them.
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I got it before the snow covered the roads. I'll get some pics up today.
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Gathered up my easily accessible Arisaka bayonets for a photo spread.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../Q7TNcul-1.jpg
The top one is not Japanese but postwar Chinese. It is not converted but new made in the shorter configuration. Somewhere here there is a more detailed thread on it so I won't go into it further here.
The second one from the top is a crudely made training bayonet. It has some numbers on the hilt but not a serial number, just a rack number. Oddly shaped grip on this one.
The middle one is the Jinsen late war in the South Korean belt hanger conversion. This bayonet is very clean. Condition is better than I expected.
The fourth on down is one of my nicer Arisakas, probably early production, at least early war if not pre-war
The bottom is the Jinsen pole bayonet. My photos didn't really turn out as nice as the sellers did but here they are. It does have a serial number on the top which was not shown at the time of the auction. Pretty hard to decipher, both in the photos and in person. Condition on this is about what I expected. Finish is good but there is a bit of surface rust here and there, not much and it will probably clean off without much effort with some oil. Other than training bayonets, this is one of the crudest Arisakas I have in my collection. Blade is heavier, probably because it wasn't polished at all. Lots of machining marks. The cross guard is also very rough, especially on the back side. My next task is to locate some photos of these actuallly mounted on a pole. I'd like to replicate if if possible for my displays. Wondering if bamboo is what would have been used and if there were any sort of metal attachment point on the end.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../QC2NE1i-1.jpg
The next three photos are of the belt hanger. It is attached by a thin, flat metal loop that goes in between the canvas and is held by the two rivets. The Japanese scabbard is not altered in any way other than being repainted.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../IPlREej-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../mpk1204-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../vbfCGZR-1.jpg
These are the Jinsen Pole bayonet
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../vRJ9VHn-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../s7msiRw-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../9PI6ins-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../ZmxCxOR-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../dmZBK8F-1.jpg
And finally the Jinsen late war:
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../kgB3ACU-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../4rshYU7-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../xkWAchX-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../v0T7Bs6-1.jpg
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I'm not the brightest light in the mechanical engineering box but I'd like to know how the 'pole' bayonet fitted/clamped onto the, er....., pole! Or am I missing something?
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Originally Posted by
Peter Laidler
how the 'pole' bayonet fitted/clamped onto
I think it was just tied to a bamboo pole, like a pike idea.
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That's what I would like to know also. I have found some examples that indicate various ways but nothing definitive. One is showing a proper bayonet lashed to a pole which has some sort of metal round pin which is on the end of the pole and then through the hole with the handle lashed to the pole. Looks almost like a No III nose cap. Bamboo is mentioned in another discussion but bamboo is hollow so can't be carved to fit inside the hole. Would also require some sort of metal cap.
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Originally Posted by
Aragorn243
Would also require some sort of metal cap.
Only if you look at it as a reusable item. If you just create a "Spear" then you don't need anything else but lashing...remember it was to be a desperate last stand idea. I too have examined it and found regular bayonets lashed to poles...
