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where do these bullets exist?
150 and 170 grain fmj round nose for the .308 family? correct bullet for a lot of our rifles.
Also 170 grain FMJ round nose is the lawful bullet in a 30-30 case for American prison execution by firing squad.
been trying to find them, but wondered if any of you kids have seen them.
Why a round nose bullet?
well as it was once pointed out to me, krag jorgensons in the USA inventory used a 150 grain round nose fmj.
The original Krag load was a 220 grain round nose.
The closest you may get to a 150gn "round-nose" are the blunt bullets made for tube-magazine lever actions.
Getting them to feed reliably and without mangling the bullet in a bolt action may be a challenge, but for "non-dangerous" game, when driven to .308 . .30-06 velocities, they should do the job.
"Round" nosed soft-point 170-180gn .308 bullets? Ditto.
RN FMJ ones? If you want a regular supply, Mr. Corbin could probably sell you all the tooling to make them..
Probably cheaper to get your local CNC shop to run up a batch from solid bronze or soft brass, but you need to have lots of grooves in the design. This allows the bulk of the body to be .299"-ish and for several narrow "collars" to do the seating in the case and the sealing and driving in the .308" grooves.
This is not an entirely new idea. The French used a machine-turned, solid "bronze" (actually more of a soft brass) bullet in their 1889 issued Balle 1886D 8mm ammo for the old tube-fed Lebel rifles.
There are a number of makers of turned, solid bronze (and "brass") bullets out there, however, most of their products are intended for use on bigger and less benign critters than bunnies and small deer.
Still not sure why one would be searching for anything other than a 220 grain to replicate a Krag load. The US military did not use 150 grain loads.
Here’s some 220 grain bullets: Woodleigh Bullets 30 Cal (308 Diameter) 220 Grain Full Metal - MPN: 65
[QUOTE=rcathey;448287]Still not sure why one would be searching for anything other than a 220 grain to replicate a Krag load. The US military did not use 150 grain loads.
actually when speer announced they would finally have 150 grain fmj round nose bullets for sale, people were jumping in joy. what we were given were 150 grain spitzer with a .5 mm tall round bump on the flat point... not what we wanted..
I tired talking with corbin, and they couldn't get past the idea of it being a round nose FMJ. they just wanted to talk about round nose softpoints.
The 150 GN round nose you are looking for is a Sierra # 2135.
Where did you get the idea that these bullets ever existed?
RN FMJ bullets are used about 4 places
1. Military applications such as the .30 US Carbine
2. The ammo for the US air force .22 Hornet survival rifle
3. Small caliber - .22 Hornet or .222 Rem used for seal hunting by native hunters.
4. RN FMJ steel jacketed bullet in .458 were made by Hornady for dangerous game hunting
For the most part true US military .308 bullets have only been spitzers since 1906. More than 100 years.
I have been buying component bullets for about 50 years and I have never see a RN FMJ .30 cal other than the little 110 grn bullets used in the .30 Carbine.
I sort of doubt the RN bullet used for execution story is true since I can only remember 1 person being executed by firing squad in my life time.
Gary Gilmore could have just as easily been executed with a soft point or shotgun. No law says it has to be a .30 cal. either.
BTW only 3 states - Mississippi, Oklahoma and Utah authorize execution by firing squad as one of the methods.
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component 150 or 170 gr FMJ ROUND NOSE
where do these bullets exist?
150 and 170 grain fmj round nose for the .308 family? correct bullet for a lot of our rifles.
Also 170 grain FMJ round nose is the lawful bullet in a 30-30 case for American prison execution by firing squad.
been trying to find them, but wondered if any of you kids have seen them.
If you look into 30 cal Winchester ammo from WW2 era, you'll find FMJ RN was available for the military from Rem-UMC in 20 rd plain cardboard boxes. They also made an FMJ pneumatic with a slight indented tip that was supposed to aid expansion...in an FMJ...? I have them both here if you guys need to see.
Jim, post some photos id love to see them.
The source for the 170 grain fmj for 30-30 in executions to the best of my memories was a scanned gif of a document with what looked like federal department of corrections seal information.
There are companies like Woodleigh and one in Australia/new Zealand that make steel jacketed with copper overlay in round nose configuration but they don't have loading data. And cutting edge makes bullets that are almost round nose from solid copper, but don't give any safe to use loading data.
OK here they are, first is a 30-30 pneumatic, next a 30-30 RN FMJ, then a 32Spl same but in a drill cartridge, then a .303 Savage same. Reason for the FMJ in various calibers was the use by the PCMR during the war. We have those guys around here so their odds and ends are here. The cartridges are of course in the same order in all three pics.
Your photos are for loaded ammo. If the original poster is looking for component bullets he is still out of luck.
It may be that Norma or Herter's might have cataloged something similar 60 years ago but they are not on the market now.
I am not sure why the feds would have used a 30-30 for anything. If they use their own rifles they have plenty of .30 cal military rifles and plenty of ammo they can get from any armory.
No kiddin'...and here's why they're here...Quote:
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Originally Posted by pocketshaver
During WW2 there was a detachment of National Guard troops from Alaska that carried and used 30-30 rifles. They were used to infiltrate Attu and Kiska to scout out the Japanese which they did. There was also another group that was used to guard National Forests with 30-30 rifles. There were security people armed with 30-30 rifles protecting defense industries too. If I remember right they all used FMJ rounds. But there was nothing ever listed as far as executions having to use FMJ rounds that I have been able to find.
I knew there had to be a larger picture than just our PCMR...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill
The "Spruce Gun." I sold this one just a couple months ago. Sorry the pictures are rough...my phone was fritzing out at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill
Found a name under the buttplate. "Ed Dickey." I always look under the buttplate on a new-to-me rifle...never know what you'll find.
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We had the job of rebluing a carbine once and found a novena folded up under the buttplate.Quote:
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Spruce...Gumwood? It was an attempt to lighten the carbine, weighed 1/3 less than walnut. It was so soft you could dig it with a thumbnail, was unsuccessful. Looks like it may have been a ranch gun with that number stamped in the butt heel.Quote:
Originally Posted by rcathey
The way I read it, they were nicknamed the spruce gun because they guarded the spruce forests of the Pacific Northwest. Spruce was vital to the war effort for building airplanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
One of the scarcer US military firearms out there but they do turn up and fly under the radar when they do ;)
Yes it was, fair enough. Another martial use, not to forget the foraging guns of WW1, I wonder what their ammo was?Quote:
Originally Posted by rcathey
I have a big interest in this search, no one makes a true 150 grain FMJ for .308. Just that damnably cute 110 grainer for m1 carbines
No, the 147 Hornady SBTFMJ is good though. RN would take it down a notch in performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketshaver
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by pocketshaver
PRVI PARTIZAN BULLET 30cal (.308) M2 150gr FMJ 100/BAG
Item #:PPB30MC150 Price:$25.99 $0.26 per round
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Wouldn't mind some of those either...none around here though.