Savage No.4 Mark 1 (T) - Collector's Source, Military Collectibles Online
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interesting rifle...judging by the blueing loss and sanded stocks, it looks like it's had a fairly hard life.
I would be interested in knowing:
- original 2 or 6 groove barrel?? replacement British 5 groove?
- Interesting markings on the front sight guard, and have markings been wiped from the receiver below the serial number? Is that a broad arrow above the last number of the serial?
again, $2,500-$2,800 overpriced.
Would this one be more valuable since it was issued with a scope?Most of the other savage rifles I have seen, never had a scope installed.
2 of my 3 savages No4Ts had scopes, the 3rd had replacement wood, so one can't tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by superbee
I believe that if we look closely, most (if not all) of the Savage MkI rifles were fitted with scopes.
The Savage MkI* rifles are where the "less telescope" rifles show up.
My Savage No4MkI*(T) was originally fitted with a telescope.
Pretty much the way with them though, they don't come down either. They just sit until someone buys it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
In my "Sniper Records" I have 39 Savage Mk I T s/n listed (Mk I*'s omitted)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Enfield
15 have confirmed scopes paired with them, 14 are unknown, 10 are confirmed never fitted with scopes.
How many 1941 snipers are known?Looks like 41 savage rifles are quite scarce.This one has serial 3548
Question is how many 1941 savage's are known that were not converted into snipers?
Not true. I have seen them cut some prices in half if the item(s) don't sell after a year, or in other cases the prices drop a few hundred dollars. And I have managed some slight negotiation on items...ymmv. They do get some very nice stuff, and where else in Canada do you find these kind of items with a buy it now button?Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
A while back they had 3 scopeless Ts show up for around $800-900 each. I got a nice British made but Cdn marked T out of that deal. Inflation has certainly hit on this one.
Yes they do. I've never managed to get a reduction though...Quote:
Originally Posted by stencollector
So, Why would there be a stamp resembling the BSA factory Enfield inspectors D7E stamp on the right cheek? Do other Savage T's have Enfield inspector stamps and, if they do, would they not be the expected D6E? That is, indeed, a brutal price. As mentioned above, this outfit is always pricing items on the high to extremely high side of the envelope but eventually everything seems to move. Perhaps they negotiate with some but I'm not on that special list and simply don't buy there any longer.
Ridolpho
I had a 1941 Savage which was not a sniper. Sadly I traded it off...Quote:
Originally Posted by superbee
I would suggest that the serial number is too high to have been converted at Enfield rather than H&H.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridolpho
I think when RogerP takes a look he will point to the pads not exhibiting the Enfield machining pattern, I just noted that they don't have the Enfield inspectors stamping.
Everyone has a price, I went in a bit heavy handed regarding some unsold lots in an auction in the UK, I made a very low offer through email, as the item was in need of some TLC and it had been through several auctions without selling, also had some providence with it but think it related to another pistol ........ in the end they accepted my offer, in fact accepted my offer on another item straightaway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ridolpho
Sorry I've not chipped in (FWIW) but when I try to visit the site my McAfee security tells me it's a slightly risky site to visit because of "PUP's", so I've not chanced it, although I presume you guys are all ok....
Roger: According to the comrade's at Kaspersky it's OK?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Payne
Ridolpho
For future reference, here are the listings pictures and description:
Early Savage production in 1942. All matching numbers, all Savage parts. Bore is very good plus. Possibly one of the early (T) conversions done at RSAF Enfield. Rifle only, no scope or mount. These early conversions did not have the S51 Holland & Holland mark on the butt stock, just Enfield inspectors mark on butt socket. Pad screws are not staked as later (T) conversions were. This is a RARE early conversion of a USA Savage Stevens made rifle.
$4,500.
Thanks! Looks fine to me. As Darren has said, likely an early H&H conversion. I wonder if it bears the S51 on the underside of the butt? Mind, even without it it could be H&H as whilst the S51 seems to have been adopted early I think I've seen at least one rifle that appeared to be totally original that lacked it, & one with a smaller than normal S51. The cheekpiece is typical of those seen on many early dated conversions. (I suspect it is birch, & it has an undercut on the front left edge which is quite obvious in one of the pix).
FWIW I have 0C769 a scope less T that appears to have never been issued. It has all the expected H&H marks including S51 to the butt stock. I believe that OC1 is similarly marked but I'll let its owner speak for it.
0C1's wood was totally replaced as the original owner (Bubba) sanded the original wood well past recognition.
I have 0C160. It was never completed with a telescope. It sports the H&H S-51 and correct Enfield examiner's stamps.
I have 0C378 & used to own 0C4335 & a pal owned 0C4345. Both latter two were scoped up but 0C378 came to me minus woodwork so I can't say. I believe 0C4335 was possibly set up at Enfield. It did not bear the examiner's mark on the front pad but had no S51 & bore a multitude of examiner's marks on it not normally associated with H&H conversions. It also bore an Enfield barrel. One I regret letting go of.....
Collectors Source tends to be over priced. Mind you, they usually only deal with high end collector stuff. However, a sniper rifle without its scope is just another No. 4 Rifle and isn't worth $4500.
Neither does " All matching numbers" guarantee that the head space is good.
Had a Savage made No. 4 Mk I* on my MIU years ago. Just another No. 4 Rifle except for the U.S. Property stamp.
Interesting what you say about them turning up decent stuff. My TP rifle & the scope for my 90L LB 4T came out of them, via Charnwood Ordnance, albeit many years ago.
I have OC3422 with matching scope, scope can and mount....number on butt and S51 stampedQuote:
Originally Posted by Roger Payne
I own OC3695, S51 marked with matching No. 32 MK I scope, mount and can.
Collectors source is not to far out of line compared to this one!
Lee Enfield No4 Mk1(T)