Italian M4 Carbine bayonets

It seems these things are everywhere, and run $39 with an M8A1 style sheath. From what I have read, they are Italian military issue, use for all those FAT77 Carbine that CMP brought back. They have the Dutch style plastic grips, i.e a plastic version of the leather handle that screws on in two halves. They actually look a lot like the original Colt Model 601 plastic handled bayonet.

Anyone know if they are as good of steel as the USGI ones? Ropop M4 bayonets tend to have junk blades, except the Imperial re-issue in the 1990s. I want to pick up a bayonet for my Quality. Even the USGI plastic handle Conettas are running $100. I refuse to pay $175 to $200 for a leather handled one! Years ago, I had a Dutch M4 when they were cheap like the Italians are now. it was pretty cool.

What happened to the ones you had? I thought you at least had a couple of them, one with a rubber handle and another with leather. Maybe like me - sold them and now regretting it! :bash: - Bob

Yep, sold both of them in a fit of insanity. After I sold the Standard Products a couple years ago, then the white bag Inland last year I sold them both. I did keep most of my magazines, and most of my ammo and all my reloading supplies.

I do know where I can get a new in box Connetta for $60, with no sheath. Trouble is, M8 are over $75, and M8A1 are $45 for just the sheath!

Try here, and see if they'll co-operate... https://www.libertytreecollectors.co...idproduct=9044

Also here... M1 CARBINE BAYONETS

Big Thread about these on CMP Carbine forum about a year ago:

Italian M4 Bayonets - CMP Forums

Just saw some good info and pics in the "Similar Threads" box near the bottom of this page. Here's one of them: https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=61319 - Bob

Thanks, but everyone seems to be out of stock!

I've got nice US M8A1 sheaths if in need.

I bought a few of the Italian surplus bayos, AET late 50s marked, they are of good quality. Midway USA had some great buys not too long ago on USGI Conetta bayos in mint shape.

Midway is out of stock on both.

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Originally Posted by Brian Dick

I've got nice US M8A1 sheaths if in need.

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Thanks! I may take you up on that. I will let you know.

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Midway is out of stock on both.

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Thanks! I may take you up on that. I will let you know.

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Classic has them in stock for $39.99
M1 Carbine Bayonet - Original M4 M1 Carbine Bayonet With M8 A1 Scabbard - Italian Made - Surplus. - Bayonets - Rifle Parts - Accessories

Well, I got the Camillus. It is clearly a 1953 Military contract (according to Bayonet Points Guide and the picture of the 1953 lettering) that was rebuilt with a plastic handle! When they re-assembled it after removing the pommel and leather washers, they installed the guard (ricasso?) with the writing towards the handle instead of the blade. Also they drilled holes through the shank (that was once covered buy leather washers) for the screws to go through. I am not sure if they used M4 or M7 grips, as it is about 1/4" to short leaving a gap between the grip and pommel. It came with a Korean K-M8A1 sheath according to the original owner, so I am guessing the rebuild was done in Korea. I will have to come up with some king of spacer, as it is FUGLY with the gap.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../QBnhGkI-1.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../tg6gJ3w-1.jpg

IMR,
Would a thick O Ring work or thick black rubber washer you could shape as a Spacer?
Or.... Bad Idea ?

IDK if you seen this link below, but checkout the Sweet Job BAR did on this US Navy Mk 1.
If mine I'd consider doing the same.
What have you got to lose?
My gut tells me you won't be happy with the overall condition of your current set up.
The end gap, stamped numbers/name reversed and what appears to be the 2 handle halves not fitting together flush.

JMO,
But look over this link and give it some thought :

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https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=66794

You find that kind of a gap on most of the bayonets that have the plastic replacement handles. That was done because some of the bayonets that had leather handles had the butts removed during rebuild and the shank shortened so that the pommel could be reused. The end of the shank was ground off the remove the pommel and the shoulder had to be moved back a bit so it could be repeened.

It is tight on one end, and the big gap on the other. If I center it, it doesn't look bad at all. I like the fact that it was a leather handled Camillus, rebuilt. The flipped recasso actually gives it character. I think I will reset the grips to the center, and wait until I trip across a good deal on a leather handled one.

Wow! That is some hard steel! I tried a cadmium coated bit and barely dented it. I think the grips are fine as is! LOL.

I'm wondering...from the pics, is the pommel now welded on? Is the back peened or what? It just looks odd at the front side of the pommel at the space...

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Sweet Job BAR did on this US Navy Mk 1

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Thanks for the plug Charlie... Yes. A guy could do one of those...the redoing of the sunburst pommel would be hard. That would just end up flared.

It has been re-peened but not the original starburst pattern. Maybe used a hydraulic press to pop it off, then hand peened it back.

I have one of the plastic handle ones also. I filled the gaps with black sillycon and wiped it smooth with a finger. Now it is hardly noticeable.

Here's my two carbine bayonet's. hope you don't mind.

One is a US m4 Imperial with a USM8a1 BMCO scabbard.

The other is a US M4 conetta with a USM8a1 PWH saabbard.

Have had them both for awhile. ;)

I have a few Bayo's WWII and newer...... but don't recall which trunk I put them in......... So I'd know where they are.... :ugh:

I have a WWII Navy marked Machete and sheath and know it's in a show case that I bought when my Daughter was in the Navy.
"U.S.N." Mk. 2 marked Khaki sheath.
Machete marked USN MK-2 Legitimus Collins & Co 1945
Also bought a S&W Victory Revolver, NAVY Property marked, while she was in.
Must have been missing my little girl :crying:

Never have and should buy a few Fighting knives...... But where to put ?? :surrender:

In the attic?? :madsmile:

At one point I started collecting US bayonets and fighting knives, That was in the late 80s and early 90s when I did gunshows 2 to 3 times a month. It was never ending, and I gave up. too many. Just collecting M16 bayonet variations or Carbine ones could be a specialty in itself.

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Machete marked USN MK-2 Legitimus Collins & Co 1945

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I have one of those also, procured when I was up in Ft Wainwright...

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should buy a few Fighting knives

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I have a couple I suppose I should drag out here sometime too...

I just watched this Pricey Devil end :move eek:

$636.00
Some similar listed with opening bids near $1,000.00 (To Open)

RARE WW2 WWII US M3 CASE 1943 TRENCH KNIFE w M6 BARWOOD SHEATH | eBay

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3/sl1600-2.jpg

I found this one at a Portland gun show for $100. Wish I still had it. :banghead: - Bob

Those leather sheaths are really pricey, particularly Barwoods and Moose Co.s. L&C is up there too. I've still got a few. And I've still got a nice Boker knife as well. Used to be able to get those things for under $100, but not any more!

When my dad was on Iwo Jima, he had an Inland M1 Carbine. Instead of an M3 fighting knife, however, he said he was just issued an M1 Garand bayonet. Only thing he used it for (thank God) was opening C ration cans!

I need to study up more about these.

GI US Bob,
That M3 looks like it was a nice one.
Any idea what they sell for now ?

Charlie, I bought it in 2012 for $100 figuring at the time the knife was worth $75 and the M8 $25. I'd known the dealer for several years and had bought Carbine parts from in the past. He was asking more, but didn't hesitate when I offered him the $100. The leather had seen some abuse and both pieces needed cleaned up a bit. I cleaned some dirt out of the grooves and treated it with some leather "dope" - also, cleaned light rust off the metal in places with 0000 steel wool. I left the thong(?) completely alone, since I thought that would add value in the future. I had it on my table at Oregon Arms Collectors last summer without a price - thinking I should at least double my money. There was a lot of interest and I sold it along with a few sealed boxes of WWII carbine ammo ($30 ea.) within the first hour of the show for $225. I figured I got about $55 for the M8 and $170 for the M3. I believe I should have set the price closer to $300, and probably would still have it. I thought it was a good example, far from perfect, but decent and original. You could barely see the bomb on the pommel until I cleaned it. Hope that helps! - Bob

You should have called it a Airborne Paratrooper M3 :D

Some SOLD Auction results:

US M3 Utica | eBay

I gotta ask.... Unless selling to a Buddy, Why so cheap ($30.00 box) for Sealed WWII boxed Ammo ?
Commercial Remington runs near $35 a box at a local sporting goods..... before tax.

I can't find anybody willing to pay any more for it than that. Even one of Jim's buddies who I believe helped with that award winning display up in WA would only buy one box at that price - said he would use in one of his displays. For some reason, the going price seems to be around $25 or $30. It's not like there's an endless supply of it, though - right? Still need to take a look at that M3 Utica link. I'm not seeing any Remington .30 Carbine in the stores here now. The last I bought was from Sportsman's Guide, some in 2017 for around $25.50 and in 2014 for around $22. I had the "club" membership then and it took a couple bucks off per box. Funny thing, on one of the purchases, they had their 500 round deal priced higher per box than buying single boxes, so I saved by buying a number of boxes individually - got free shipping that time, too! The shipping adds so much nowadays, that I usually buy some at the big Portland shows, but it's a long drive and costs $20 just to get parked and in the door. - Bob

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You should have called it a Airborne Paratrooper M3 :D

Some SOLD Auction results:

US M3 Utica | eBay

I gotta ask.... Unless selling to a Buddy, Why so cheap ($30.00 box) for Sealed WWII boxed Ammo ?
Commercial Remington runs near $35 a box at a local sporting goods..... before tax.

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Yea there must be something... people usually dont sell something like this for this price..if you are gonna to ask, let us know then ;)

It was in decent condition. It went for about the price that I would expect. It would have sold for more if it was an earlier blade marked.