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I have a Izawa Jyuko series 9 last ditch arisaka, that was given to me. The bolt is missing the safety knob and the gun is missing the magazine spring and follower as well. My question, can I use any last ditch safety knob,(spring and follower) our does it have to be arsenal specific?
Welcome to the forum, Spevin. With these sorts of questions it normally helps to post a few photos to illustrate your point because, as they say, "a picture speaks a thousand words".
It's relatively simple to post photos once you've done it a few times.
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=28752
Since IJ was supervised by Nagoya I would try some late Nagoya parts . Series 8 and 10 are common rifles so the parts are not too hard to find .
Here's a pic. The rifle was coated in cosmoline, including the stock. Is this a original stock or sported? Notice the leather butt plate. Another curiosity? No sling attachment.
The rifle has the stock cut off and sanded so much the shape has changed and the sling swivel mounting hole is gone . The buttplate has also been added after the original was removed .
Parts should be interchangeable. Only reason to get arsenal specific would be for collector purposes but that rifle has a lot of issues that more or less make that point moot. Making a shooter pretty easy, restoring it pretty expensive.
Type 99 parts are NOT interchangeable between makers .
Actually they are although some may require some minor fitting. It's done all the time.
Tell us about that join along the butt, someone, please. Was it common practice at the end of the war?
I have over 250 Type 99 rifles , every maker , every series and every 10,000 block . I have a pile of parts . Most parts will not interchange between makers , not even close . You have no idea what you are talking about . Do not give the guy bad advice that will make him buy parts that will not fit his rifle .
As usual Bob, you are the expert of nothing. I have one rifle fully functional built out of parts from half a dozen arsenals. I know a dealer that routinely uses generic parts to assemble functioning Type 99's for sale. And parts listed for sale are rarely if ever marked so by arsenal. So yes, they do indeed interchange although admittedly they may need some minor fitting.
A half of dozen , yea right as there were four main makers . But how would you know . A guy with a junk rifle knows more than one of the main Japanese rifle collectors . I have almost 300 Type 99's and parts piles that say you are wrong . It is clear you can't learn , but there is no reason to make some one else buy the wrong parts . You are just mad because you have to be corrected all the time .
Gee Bob, as a guy with a junk rifle with mismatched parts that actually work together, I do indeed seem to know a lot more about them than you do. You have yet to correct me on anything, so I have no need to be mad. In fact I enjoy learning, just a real shame you are completely incapable of teaching anyone because you have a miserable attitude and it shows with your arrogant posts, and worse, you're usually wrong. There are 8 makers of Type 99's, do you need me to name them or do you wish to retract your inaccurate statement?
My experience is somewhere in between. On the 4 type 99s I have had, parts were generally interchangeable with no or minor fitting (e.g. barrel bands stock metal etc.) However, this was not the case with the safety knob and bolt parts. I had a acquired a Type 99 with bolt with mismatched parts. The safety did not work. I tried replacement parts for the striker and safety two but could not get the safety to work correctly. Not knowing what to file or how much, I decided not to try any fitting.
My opinion is that there was a lot of hand fitting of the bolt parts of a Type 99. This is why all the bolt parts are all stamped with numbers. I would think that replacement parts for the bolt would be a hand fit operation as well.
Walter
Walter, could you explain about that join along the butt, please. Was it common practice at the end of the war on Japanese Type 99 rifles? Thanks
I believe it was common practice throughout production.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
The joint is common practice throughout production. It's a means to save on wood waste. You don't need as wide a piece of wood to make the stock. I posted photos on here showing the joint on a rifle one time a while back. Don't remember what thread it's on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
Yes the line that runs from the butt to the trigger guard is where two pieces of wood are joined with a dovetail. This saved wood as the others have noted. In early and mid war samples this joint is well fitted and the glue is usually pretty good. You hardly notice the joint. Later in the war, the fit and finish became much poorer and the adhesives were not so good either. You really notice the joint then.
Note that it appears that this stock was repaired a some point as indicated by the two circles shown on the joint line. I speculate that this is probably a repair that involved two dowels driven across the stock at the joint line to add strength.
Walter
Thanks chaps. It is interesting that it was common practice and it is an ingenious way to use a less wide piece of wood.
I bought a safety knob and magazine follower plus spring from Ebay. They dropped right in and function. No hand fitting needed.