Mk.1 Sight Postwar or Wartime?

Appreciate any help IDing this Mk.1 Fazakerley sight as wartime or postwar. Thanks.

Update: sorry, checked advanced settings and uploaded pics. One is of an early Poole on a trials No.4 sold at auction, allegedly all original. The next is this one on my ROFM early 1942. The rifle has been back to depot as it as a lined through and numbered magazine to match. No import markings. I think it may have an "England" early import marking. My query is to determine whether this Mk.1 Poole sight was wartime or postwar. Thank you.

How about a picture?

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Originally Posted by army1882

How about a picture?

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I posted one. It must be the Amazon hosting service does not allow hot linking so I've taken the image code off so now it is just a link. It was up awhile and I got no resonse. I'll try to repost it. In the meantime I was able to determine on my own that it is a Poole Mk.I and that the "F3" is not for Fazakerley but obviously a production lot.

I researched it. Apparently Amazon has a time control on hotlinking. It shows up for a while then is gone. It is at Gunboards on their pic hosting:
https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?1086491-Mk-1-Fazakerly-Sight-Wartime-or-Postwar

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Originally Posted by Hambone

It is at Gunboards

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And that's why it goes stale. We aren't members. Posting an actual pic is the best way...not a link... Then it's held here for knowledge in perpetuity after the thread is stale.

Absolutely Jim....

On a wider point, I always thought the MK1 backsight was discontinued early on and replaced with the wartime austerity patterns?

I've always considered the MK1 mainly as a post war retrofit, FTR or unit replacement.

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Originally Posted by mrclark303

the MK1 backsight was discontinued early on

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That was what I thought also. The simple and cheap ones superseded. Then after if any came to light they might be fitted. Don't think they started making them new though.

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

And that's why it goes stale. We aren't members. Posting an actual pic is the best way...not a link... Then it's held here for knowledge in perpetuity after the thread is stale.
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Thank you, the pic icon did not allow me to upload. Our site has that feature so I had forgotten I can upload. I went into advanced tabs and found out how. In any event, I did not assume inasmuch as I pay Amazon Prime that they would bohonk me on the pic linking. Appreciate insight on the sight ;)

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Originally Posted by browningautorifle

That was what I thought also. The simple and cheap ones superseded. Then after if any came to light they might be fitted. Don't think they started making them new though.

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That said Jim, post war FTR programs retrofitted and removed a number of austerity wartime parts, slab sided cocking pieces, back sights, front sight protectors etc.

I would imagine the MK1 was put back into production for the post war build Mk1's, FTR rework and not forgetting MK2 production from 1949.

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Originally Posted by mrclark303

I would imagine the MK1 was put back into production for the post war build Mk1's, FTR rework and not forgetting MK2 production from 1949.

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I see...

So, it is unknown whether the Poole "F3" sight depicted was made in the period to 1945, or postwar? I know that the Mk.I sights with the (is it "C" followed by a number) are postwar, perhaps 1953. Other than that, is such a dating not possible or generally known? Thanks!

Mk. I modified sights , which had the battle sight removed, were used on No. 4 Mk. I (T), No. 4 Mk. I (T. LESS TELESCOPE) and No. 4 Mk. I* (T) and examples seen include those made in Britain, in the U.S.A. by Stevens-Savage and in Canadian by Small Arms Limited at Long Branch.

Regarding the 1930s Trials No. 4, I believe that they would have all left RSAF at Enfield with the Enfield monogram (E F D letters superimposed on each other) stamped marking on the backsight. There were two versions of these sights on the Trials rifles. I had such a sight on a 1931 Trials rifle SN A1989. It was a No. 4 Mk. I which I used to own and which had been converted to sniper equipment.

I cannot help on the Poole sight and I have never come across one.

As a matter of interest, none of the Mk2,3 and 4 backsights were ever declared obsolete, like some other parts were were, so while they remained serviceable these sights simply continued in use right up until the last days of the old No4's into the 90's when replaced by the L98's. And even then, there were hundreds still carrying the Mk2's 3's and 4's

I would imagine that ROF Poole backsights were post war simply because it was a means of keeping these smaller ROF's going post war - same as the bayonets from there and other odds and sods