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Guns, ammo and Manufacturing tools nabbed.
You just know these were handled and Loaded up with great care.
A spokeswoman for ATF said in the link below:
"We will also be using ballistics to determine if some of the guns were used in crime."
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More than 1,000 guns seized at posh LA mansion
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You can tell how careful they were by all the boxes loaded in the back of the pickup.
Possible arms sales violation? What happens about the damage to the weapons if he is found innocent? Seems like a non-story made into something because it fits the anti-gun hysteria. And new events in Colorado fuel the panic.
Allegedly, he was involved in full auto manufacture and the manufacturing of ghost guns... I emphasize allegedly.
Yep, I'm seeing lots of "FA" lever actions and revolvers there...Quote:
Originally Posted by deldriver
Those single action colt 1873 type revolvers look pretty Ghosty to me.
Well, it is California after all. What else would we expect? Any sale of any firearm there is prolly "illegal"...
Russ
I bet he had a 1000 bullets too!
There's a couple of M1 Carbines in the pile I see. There was a similar situation not far away. Supposedly the ATF raided and stacked them on each other causing damage to some. After spending 20K on his defense and winning, one of the brothers recovered his arms and was compensated, (at least I'm told) on some of the high end cased arms they stacked withut putting in cases.
I'm seeing mostly rim-fire rifles (did see one M1 carbine) and handguns looked to be all revolvers (noticed one Enfield pistol in the stack). My question is, what exactly did this guy do to break the law? Can't do too much to a revolver to make it illegal and I've never heard of a fully auto Marlin model 60... Maybe California has a bag-limit as to how many guns you can legally own? My guess is that this guy had a gun license (C&R FFL perhaps?) and was using it to buy/sell firearms as a business (which C&R license does not allow!) out of his residence... Just sayin'....
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Just a thought; If buying and selling illegally, why have so many in stock?
One word: Greed.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadycon
They had reported before that this was a state investigation with ATF assistance into having non registered or now illegal semi-auto firearms like an AR-15. Sure is a lot of .22 rifles and not one semi-auto handgun. Some nice revolvers like single actions, a couple of Contenders and one Python. All of them appear to be in excellent condition. More like a personal collection then anything else.
Before reading the link, I was thinking, “ OK, some wealthy Cajun likes to buy guns!?” BIG DEAL. Then realized they are in Kalifornia. Those people freak out over everything. Hope the quake comes soon.
It is only 200 miles to the Nev border and then there's Idaho and Wyoming. I was on vacation one time from home, Calif. Happened to be in Twin Falls Idaho. At a gun shop I spotted a great SIG 45 for a ridiculous low price. I told the guy I was from Calif. he said "I don'tcare, you can have this gun in 15 minutes". It used to be like that in Calif until the communists came into power. Now, any firearm must be on an approved list issued by the Politburo before you can even buy it new. The Commissars are full of themselves too. They pass between 800-900 new laws every year, most everything being a felony so they can take away your firearms in the deal. Kamila Harris has a hit squad of Nazis that go around raiding homes of felons and disarming anyone who they feel shouldn't have guns. A P O'd person can call in a report that they are afraid someone is going to hurt themselves and that's all it takes. Guns gone and they are tossed into the trunk. You can bet all Lugers, Pythons, Officers Models and fine doubles are never found again.
I really don't know why the people of California have created a separate political system, but they seem so far left that I don't understand how they got there? California is a lovely state.
But as most of the rest of the U.S. use to quip, "Yeah, California, mostly FRUITS and NUTS". I truly feel sorry for Californians.
Were those the people they WANTED to be in charge of things? It is as if California should be come a separate country and all the leftist and liberals can move there to see how that little experiment is going to work out. I am happy California is on the OTHER side of the US...
Reminds me of local friend couple weeks after columbine. His kid took wrong 50 cent flea market back pack to school. Problem was it had a torch cut stem gun in it. Third grader goes to teacher and explains he got wrong back pack. Teacher looks in it and calls ATF. My friend was deputy reserseve and part time town Marshall. ATF comes to his house. Throws his entire gun collection including his legal class three stuff in pile on front drive in the rain. They threw hm in federal lockup and put a 250,000 bail bond in him for illegally making machine guns. He could not afford the bail bond so stayed in lockup for 3-4 weeks. NRA refused to help him. He decided with time served to plea bargain. He can no longer own a gun but was allowed to transfer all his guns to his wife’s name. No fees. He plea bargained simply as could not afford the 200,000 the bonds and attorneys required to fight. Is easy to see who was right and who was wrong when they let wife keep everything including the torch cut stem that started the mess. We do not have affordable justiice today to fight the elite antis. I have no idea what the California guy did legal or not legal but do know system May he stacked against. If innocent I hope he sues the hell out of them.
Mainly because most of them could care less about their rights or freedoms, or anything else for that matter. Many of them can't list their Senators or Representative, or even who the current President is. The rest are rabid obstructionists. This isn't just a CA problem either...Quote:
Originally Posted by AmEngRifles
Russ
100% agree with this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by RASelkirk
Believe me, the people of Calif do care about their rights. The problem is that the rich liberals that live along the coast put their ideas into everything and pay money to do it. These people are not affected by their stupid ideas because they live in gated communities in super rich areas. This leaves us with a state with over half the population paying no taxes at all. They pass between 800-900 new laws every year. Almost all are stupid feel good laws that do nothing. In the 70s, the liberals tried to take away handguns statewide. The measure was defeated 2-1.
My brother in law just sold his subdivision 3 bd 2 bath house in Mountain View for $2.4M.
Sadly, this state is suffering from the influx of people bailing out of those types of states. My Aunt sells investment multi-family stuff that is going to transplants. They come here and still try and bring some of their beliefs with them and are succeeding at changing our laws to benefit themselves at our expense. They come from North, South and West. They sell their inflated properties there and buy choice properties here living next to influential locals and immediately start their subversion.
People of the rest of the country, this is a terrible place to live. It's no place for retirees, especially. We are backwards, ignorant and will steal everything you bring so don't even consider moving to Tennessee. We're all hooked on opioids and love it. You've been warned.
I visited CA several times going back to the 1980s. In that time you'd pay $1000 rent for a slab rancher 3 bedroom on a postage stamp lot and meth heads would still be capable of living near you. That was a decent neighborhood.
I have seen firewood stacked consciously.
These stories do not pass the smell test. Never any follow up.
IF it turns out that the person who owns the guns has done nothing wrong and broken no laws is law enforcement likely to investigate who may have made the allegations and why?
No, at least here they don't. They look for easy convictions as that's how they make headway in career. If it doesn't work they just drop it and leave it. Destroy your reputation and just walk away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
Go to "Seattle is Dying" and watch that sad tale. It is liberal California progressives ruining another state. The people in charge are so stupid that nothing makes sense. If I were 10 years younger, I'd be in Tennessee or New Mexico right now.
Be aware of your location........
https://youtu.be/aMbJr4RSSAY
Well, now. We've had a great discussion but let us remember that the forum excludes discussions of politics in order to prevent the predictable brew up. Thanks!
All the best,
Bob
I was wondering what sort of cost, per gun, would it be for law enforcement to determine if any of these guns have ever been used in crime? There must be a financial cost, per gun, for law enforcement to carry out whatever tests it deems necessary but what is it? I haven't got a clue if the cost would be $100 per gun, $1000 or $10,000 per gun to test but there must be some sort of ball-park figure. Is anyone able to give some sort of idea what would be the cost, per gun, to test if it has ever been used in crime, please?Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
I would think they make a ballistic sample. (fired bullet W/ rifling marks, and the fired case) then they do a by calibre computer data base search comparing rifling marks, extractor marks, firing pin marks, extraction and chamber marks, etc. Add up the man/hours - at a guess. probably at least 10 man/hours per gun - and the cost becomes obscene.
But then, it's the taxpayers footing the bill, so who (besides the taxpayers) cares?
Authorities seize thousands of weapons and explosives in international weapons trafficking bust
https://www.foxnews.com/us/authoriti...afficking-bust
And another Carbine bites the dust!!!
And an Arisaka .rolling block, 30 cal and BAR?
And a Bren...
I try about once a week to see if I can find any updates about this case but so far haven't found anything.
Anyone that lives out that way and hears anything.... Please chime in.
Thx..
Noted that someone asked about what kind of test/investigation will be done on the seized weapons... My best guess (and I ran a property room for two years during my career - retiring out in 1995...) is that each weapon impounded will at least be run through NCIC (or whatever the equivalent is today...) to see if it's been reported stolen... That's if the weapon has a serial number (and many manufactured before 1968 for the civilian market may never have had a serial number...). A stolen or wanted entry into the firearms database is pretty much there forever until purged for one reason or another. I once took in an older .22 rifle and ran what I thought was the serial number through the system and it came back with almost 30 hits... over a span of forty years... What happened? The number I ran was actually the patent number - very prominently displayed on the barrel... The problem? Other agencies had made the same mistake - entering what they thought was the serial number on a gun that actually never had a serial number on it....
We took the incident to heart and actually notified every agency with that listing of the problem - it was up to them to cancel out the wrong entries (only the originating agency can cancel or remove a stolen gun report..).
As far as any other testing goes I'd be very surprised to hear that any department or agency would do a single test - without some specific reason about a specific weapon since the testing process costs money - and most agencies barely have enough in their budgets to be able to do the necessary work (and quite a few would have to send a weapon out to a state or federal lab since they simply won't have the ability in house..).
The final disposition of seized firearms? After any and all cases have run through the courts the owner(s) can request their property be returned - but only if found not guilty of whatever crimes were charged... If no charges are ever brought (and there will be occasions where weapons are seized in a situation where no actual criminal charges are brought forward) - then the owner (if identified) can ask for a court order to retrieve his or her property...
Where I worked any weapons not returned would eventually be destroyed. My agency would never have considered selling them under any circumstances since it's a direct liability to a police chief's job if the slightest problem occurred after any seized weapon was used improperly later on...
They sell confiscated arms here.
Y'all must not have the number of lawyers we have down here in paradise (south florida...). In my 22 years in that world I worked for five different chiefs (a below average number since the average tenure of most chiefs nationwide was around 18 months in my era.. don't have the faintest idea of what it is today...). Every one of them would have looked at me like I had two heads if I even suggested that we sell confiscated weapons. The best we were ever allowed to do was convert the better ones to "City use" and log them in as department property before issuing them out to a member of the force that had a need... All of that ended when we finally got a very modern chief who got us really quality hardware and specified that we had to use it (Sig Sauer 229's in 40 cal, H & K Mp 5's for our SRT, etc.)...
For those not from south Florida... to give you an idea of our local politics... my representative (I live just north of where I used to work in Broward county...) is Debby Wasserman Schultz... lucky me...
"...What happens about the damage to the weapons if..." All of 'em will very likely be chopped regardless of what the courts decide. Quite likely before the case gets to court. No PD or DA's office is likely to have the storage capacity for that much evidence. Isn't likely they'd do any ballistics tests either. It's highly probable that some of 'em will go 'missing' too.
"...is law enforcement likely to investigate who..." Nope. No money for that sort of thing in most jurisdictions. As far as the Constabulary is concerned, they just got a bunch of guns off the street. What happens after that they don't care about.
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How about this seizure back in 2015?
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2015/0...lah-dnt-ac.cnn
That's Nuts !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunray
Are we to believe they'd destroy the evidence 'before the case gets to court' ?
What will become of the guns will depend on a Judges decision IF the man is found guilty and convicted.
If some how linked to the Getty family I'd think the defendant will have legal consul covered.
Here's another Weapons Cache Seizure from June 2018 in Agua Dulce, CA also claiming to be the biggest ever.
The owner was a felon.
Listen to what the reporter says at 1:28 after asking the Detectives 'What will become of all the weapons' ?
Weapons Cache Seized, Man Arrested in Agua Dulce - NBC Southern California
Kommiefornia, in some states if the courts returned the weapons and damage could be proved...relief in civil court could be sought. In Kommifornia these guns are scrap metal. I don’t travel to Kommifornia, New Jersey, or Hawaii, Colorado is close to making the list.
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Trying to play nice......
Good on you Charlie... whenever I see someone posting opinion(s) that might have been gained after watching some Tarantino blood flick I'm tempted to put them on the spot... but have deliberately refrained... it's not easy...
For those not aware... any fooling around with confiscated/seized weapons in a police department is a ticket to a quick firing from most agencies - and usually a criminal prosecution to go along with your troubles.... That is unless it occurs in Washington DC, and it's political...
Oh, boy. Lucky, lucky you. Former Wrestler Kane is our County Mayor as an indication of SOME of our beliefs. :rofl: However the City Mayor is over the left side of the Rainbow bridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemaymiami
https://browse.startpage.com/do/show...NONE&t=default
There are most definitely orgs in this state who destroy them, but you can still find some sold at auction, so I should correct my earlier statement. Haven't chased down who does and doesn't. Nashville halted gun shows in the city entirely. Knoxville is moving in that direction, but it will take a while.
It doesn't seem to be the number of attorneys so much as it is the same group as in NY, NJ, CT, MA, CA, FL. We have a Rep. Cooper here for West TN who pushes those efforts.
Are some turned into parts kits and sold? Its been a while since I looked, but there used to be a lot of handgun parts kits on either fleabay or GB that were clearly guns that had been "deactivated". I don't know where else such a variety would come from. Might be trying to make some extra money that way -vs- scrap steel??
There are firms that do just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by GotSnlB28
They take in confiscated firearms, strip off all the bits, then destroy the receivers (the only actual "Firearm" part).
Then they sell the bits.
Paid to destroy and paid for the bits. Back home we'd say "they got 'em comin' and going'."
If we were talking fishing reels... I know that there are sellers on the net that specialize in picking up older reels then breaking them down and selling each - one part at a time....
When it's a discontinued item you can no longer get parts for.. they're the only game in town...
This the firearms equivalent of the fishing reel guys -- https://jack-first-gun-parts.myshopify.com/
TSA does pretty well.
After getting through at Reagan to fly home I noticed a couple of blue totes full of pocket knives etc.
One smaller tote was half full of change that had been picked up off the floor. I could see more $change on the floor but it was in a off limits area.
Outside after landing A younger guy came up and asked me if I could do him a favor. He had a pocket knife on him he said was a gift from his Father and wanted to know if I could mail it to his home. He hurriedly wrote down his info and dashed off for his plane. I mailed the knife but hadn't heard anything from him for nearly 3 months. Finally contacted me, he had been all round Europe but got his knife back and Thanked me.
Working at TSA could give one a decent sideline income, checkout these items:
confiscation lot | eBay
Have A Safe July 4th
In Michigan some seized guns get auctioned:
See guns seized by police and up for auction online today - mlive.com
Some (?) Confiscated and turned in arms are destroyed.....
OPen this link: MSP - Public Notice of Intent to Dispose of Firearms
Then open the link inside listing the arms to be destroyed in August
Well the DA in this case has filled 64 count indictments against the owner of the 1000 weapons. He had a C&R license but sold weapons which he cannot do with a C&R other then to upgrade his collection. And had assault weapons too. (oh my. One being a 50 cal. Barrett.) Just another extreme case from the land of Fruits and Nut's. And they have plenty of both there.
...and you can bet that whoever was manning the property facility after that seizure - was just buried in paperwork... Along with a copy of the property receipt for each firearm they'd have to have a copy of the NCIC report on each weapon (showing that each was checked to find out if stolen or wanted in another investigation), and an official entry for each weapon into the facility's logbook.... and that's just for starters. None of that would include the various paperwork if an individual weapon was needed for forensic analysis (or to see if any erased serial numbers could be restored....).
The property receipts would be done by the impounding offiicer(s) - everything else would be the property guy's work.... and just to make things even more fun, every item that was needed for court purposes would have to be logged in or out (and after a certain time period - any weapons still in custody would generate a disposition request to whoever impounded it.... and that would get repeated annually as long as they still held the item(s)...). Not exactly the stuff action movies show at all...
I did that sort of work for two years a long time ago and I'll bet the procedures haven't changed much over the years although no two agencies do things the same way...