Picked up a Winchester

PI found this one for me. This is one from the first block SN1049220 and I waited a long time for it. The OC cartouche is on it's side and the SN is a mess but all the parts seem correct. ME is 1.5.
Stock, high wood, T shaped oiler aperture, big boxed WRA/GHD, OC cartouche.
Handguard R with a Z in the bottom.
Front sight, has the finger nail mark with swirls.
Rear sight, S on L side.
Bolt, unmarked, blued.
Barrel, W 4-5 inches down and Winchester proof 7 inches down.
Swivel & band, unmarked.
Mag catch W in well.
T Housing, 1/2 w and 2 other letters R side rear, Trigger Guard has a X on bottom
Hammer, R side W.
Sear, W on top no hole.
Slide W in bottom.
Recoil Lug. W on top.
Butt plate, early Winchester.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...19/07/w1-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...19/07/w2-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...19/07/w3-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...19/07/w4-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...19/07/w5-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...19/07/w6-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...19/07/w7-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...19/07/w8-1.jpg

Looks like the dies moved when they were trying to stamp that carbine. The serial is an overstamp. Probably done to correct a bad stamping on the first try. I've seen this a couple of times and not just on Winchesters. Stock markings look legit. The X on the bottom of the trigger guard is pretty normal although it could have been any letter. I've seen many different letters stamped there. The only thing that bothers me is the finish. It looks like it was reparked. What makes me think so is that none of the stampings show bare metal at the bottom and some were stamped AFTER the carbine was parked. Otherwise, it looks good. Would love to see some shots of the internals.

I'm real busy tomorrow but will disassemble for internal soon. Thanks for the comments.

The T code you posted pics of on Gunboards looks refinished too. The color on it is closer, though. It presents well and crisply but the color still doesn't look correct.
What do you make of the apparent punch mark on the barrel near the WP logo? There's also a small divot on the right of the rear dove tail which is where an adjustable sight sometimes contacts on install or removal.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../aRNXpko-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../Oyc0Pwn-1.jpg

That's is not a punch mark, it's a ding. I don't know what to make of the other mark under the rear sight, under magnification it looks like small dings in a line.

Ok. I've got a late proofed Winchester barrel with the WP visible above the high C bayonet band, and it has a very distinct punch mark. It's in between the WP and W. You wouldn't mistake this one for a ding. Haven't seen that on any other later or late Win barrels.

Additional pictures added...hope you like them. The friction pin I had never seen before but after monkeying with it I can see why it was eliminated! The best way I found was to start the pin in the housing then use a punch to line thing up and slide it right in. I can just imagine what a GI went through at night! I don't believe what direction it goes in matters as both L & R holes are the same size.


https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...19/07/w9-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9/07/w10-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9/07/w11-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9/07/w12-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9/07/w14-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by sakorick

The friction pin I had never seen before but after monkeying with it I can see why it was eliminated! The best way I found was to start the pin in the housing then use a punch to line thing up and slide it right in.

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Assuming that you are referring to the early trigger housing pin when you say friction pin, the early pin with the spring was originally designed to stay attached to the early trigger housing and not be fully removed, yours has had the end of the spring portion cut off. Page all the way down on the link below.
Also your hammer pin should be installed from left to right not right to left.

The U.S. Caliber .30 Carbines - Trigger Housing Group

It doesn't look cut off to me....there is still a tip there. The fact is that it is an original part. The whole rifle has original parts. I am done with this forum as all you guys want to do is find faults in a very nice rare Carbine. The rifle is 76 years old. At one time this was a respected Forum. So long.

Very First Left Handed Op Slide I've ever seen........ :clap:

Thx for sharing your new grab, :cheers:

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Originally Posted by sakorick

I am done with this forum as all you guys want to do is find faults in a very nice rare Carbine.

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Well if you don't like what personnel here are pointing out or trying to assist you with something on the rifle in question then you may as well stay on the farm and talk to the Moo cows perhaps they will preen your feathers......:dunno:

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Originally Posted by W5USMC

Assuming that you are referring to the early trigger housing pin when you say friction pin, the early pin with the spring was originally designed to stay attached to the early trigger housing and not be fully removed, yours has had the end of the spring portion cut off. Page all the way down on the link below.
Also your hammer pin should be installed from left to right not right to left.

The U.S. Caliber .30 Carbines - Trigger Housing Group

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Got it....yes it has been broken but it can't be removed. This is the first early Winchester that I have actually touched and didn't know what the pin was for. I did not see the hammer pin installed wrong and will fix it, thanks.

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Originally Posted by CINDERS

Well if you don't like what personnel here are pointing out or trying to assist you with something on the rifle in question then you may as well stay on the farm and talk to the Moo cows perhaps they will preen your feathers......:dunno:

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Wrong, I appreciate constructive suggestions and always have, Moo.

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Originally Posted by sakorick

Got it....yes it has been broken but it can't be removed.

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Don't try to remove the remaining spring portion from your pin. Early pins are quite desirable regardless of condition but the more complete the better.

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Originally Posted by W5USMC

Don't try to remove the remaining spring portion from your pin. Early pins are quite desirable regardless of condition but the more complete the better.

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Don't worry, I won't even think about removing it and thanks for the education. When did they change the pin to the headed style?

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Originally Posted by sakorick

When did they change the pin to the headed style?

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Early 1943, I believe.

My rifle was manufactured on March 23, 1943.

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Originally Posted by sakorick

My rifle was manufactured on March 23, 1943.

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Actually, according to the Winchester Log Book entries published in WB III, that date (23 Mar 1943) is the date that your Carbine's receiver was stamped with the serial #, not the date the complete carbine was manufactured.

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Originally Posted by W5USMC

Actually, according to the Winchester Log Book entries published in WB III, that date (23 Mar 1943) is the date that your Carbine's receiver was stamped with the serial #, not the date the complete carbine was manufactured.

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I'll check my carbine club newsletters but I think you are correct.

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Originally Posted by sakorick

I'll check my carbine club newsletters but I think you are correct.

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CCNL 337 has the same info I quoted from WBIII, Also CCNL 336 has great info on 1st block Winchesters.

Reading it now....real good stuff.

A totally revamped carbine including refinished/stained stock. May be 'correct' but is no way original.