What do I have here, 1903

I bought this for $500 because I can't control myself. When I bought it there was a leather wrap around the barrel where the sight collar would have been. It went all the way to the forearm tip and the barrel channel has been dug out to let it fit. I tore the leather off and I see white metal where the collar should have been. In the SRS list it is surrounded by NM rifles, there aren't anything but NM's in that serial range. It almost looks like one of the 1921 "Free" rifles. The barrel is star gauged, it gauges 1, and it has the Lyman 48S rear sight but I don't know how it came to be. The stock has had a plastic pistol grip cap added and it doesn't look like any of the NM, heavy barreled target or style t target stocks but it sure looks military, especially the shape of the comb. Is this just somebodies put together copy of a target rifle? I can't figure it out. I took some lacquer thinner to the butt end of the stock and melted off some of the spooge and oiled it. It looks like a nice stock except for the barrel channel excavation.

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It's odd that there are no inspector stamps, usualy there is a bunch.
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Here it is all cleaned up. It looks like there was a front band at one time, there is a hole all the way through. I think it cleaned up nice. I just rubbed gun oil on the stock for now. Is this stock from an M22? There is no relief cut for the bolt handle.

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I would say the serial number being in the NM serial number group is strong circumstantial evidence it was built as a
NM. The stock is certainly a slimmed down 1922 stock. I say slimmed down because the butt is smaller and the commercial butt
plate is smaller than the original 1922 butt plate. More evidence of it being an 1922 stock is he filled hole near the front of the
fore end. The hole was for the pin that went through and kept the 1922 barrel band from sliding forward. The 1922 stock lacked
the reinforcement crossbolts and the morticed out place for the cutoff switch. The Lyman 48S
rear sight had the windage scale behind the aperture. The windage scale being in front of the aperture is a feature
of the Lyman 48C. I am not certain but I believe the elevation clicks on the sight are quarter minute. That would indicate
the sight is later than the rifle. The barrel channel in the 1922 stock would have been too large for the 1903 NM barrel as the
1922 and 1922M1 barrels were slightly thicker. This would have left a gap around the barrel that was filled by the leather
wrap. I would say someone wanted a nice sporting rifle so they took a 1903 NM, a 1922 stock, a commercial Lyman 48C
and Neidner type butt plate and made a very close replica of the 1903 NRA Sporter that went into production about 1923.

The sight scale goes to 125 yds, I think at least the scale is right for the match rifles. What would have gone where the original sight collar is missing and the barrel is in the white? The bore is like a mirror an the muzzle gauges 1.

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Originally Posted by GUTS

What would have gone where the original sight collar is missing and the barrel is in the white?

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I would think this rifle or at least the barrel came from an original service rifle. In picture #21 from the top you can see the front sight and enough of the barrel to see the mark left by the front band of a standard rifle...I expect this was originally in full service dress...?

I would think that 4976 on the barrel is the star guage record number. Usually there is a letter above it, but I can't tell if there is one there or not.

I'm trying to remember if the muzzle of the 1921's were star marked. I don't think they were. I think they were marked starting in 1922. At least that is going off memory. I didn't go back and pull the document on the order to do so.

The muzzle stamp on this one looks off to me, like I've seen this a lot. The early star gauged barrels weren't marked at the muzzle and someone has added it to make the rifle more correct to what they think it should be.

Are the rails of the receiver polished? Pull the bolt out and take a pic of the receiver rails. The rails and follower should be polished.

The star gauge mark was first used on the 1921 match rifles. The numbers didn't always have a letter included. I'm sure this is a star gauged barrel. The muzzle being worn make the stamp look fuzzy.

So...you don't think this barrel came off something else? No comment on the front barrel band shadow on the barrel? No one? Can also be seen in pic #4.

I think the barrel is original to the rifle. The serial# and the barrel date and the star gauge number that the book shows had no accompanying letter from serial# range 1220000 to about 1250000. There was a number of different styles of match rifles and I still think this used to be one. There were a few with full stocks(maybe that is why the band wear is on the barrel)and standard rear sights along with the Lyman sight. There was some .30 cal. rifles built on M1922 stocks. I'm sure you guys all have this book but here is a the section I am using to try to figure out what this is.

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Your rear sight, a Lyman 48, does not go to 125 yards. With a 24" barrel the "125" is the number of MOA that the sight moves and I do not believe that the entire 125 is usable.
FWIW

It tops out at about the 87 mark.

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There were a few with full stocks(maybe that is why the band wear is on the barrel)and standard rear sights

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I would completely believe that...

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I'm sure you guys all have this book

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Yes, I have that one too...

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So...you don't think this barrel came off something else? No comment on the front barrel band shadow on the barrel? No one? Can also be seen in pic #4.

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A 1921 NM rifle would have looked just like a standard service rifle with a full length straight stock, hand guard, front bayonet band, and a rear barrel sight. The receiver sight was probably added when it was put in the 22 caliber stock. The polished bolt, polished rails, honed camming surfaces on the bolt and receiver, and star gauge number on the barrel would distinguish regular issue from NM. Some .30 caliber rifles were indeed built on M1922 stocks, but, these stocks would have had re-inforcing bolts.

I neglected to mention in my post above that the slightly rounded cutout in the forward
part of the magazine well on the NRA Stock used on the 22 cal rifles is to allow for insertion of the .22 cal magazine. It is plainly visible in the photos of the stock posted above.

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Originally Posted by m1903rifle

A 1921 NM rifle would have looked just like a standard service rifle with a full length straight stock, hand guard, front bayonet band, and a rear barrel sight.

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Gotcha...

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The star gauge mark was first used on the 1921 match rifles. The numbers didn't always have a letter included. I'm sure this is a star gauged barrel. The muzzle being worn make the stamp look fuzzy.

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I've owned two different 1921 NM rifles. Neither had the star stamp at the muzzle. I don't have the details of the first one I owned. But the second one was 1230998, Barrel date 4-21, and star guage record number C 1749. But there wasn't a star mark at the muzzle.

I've seen 2 more 1921 NM rifles over the years, and neither of those two had the star mark as well.

I remember all this because Brophy's book claims 1921 was the first year but that isn't what I have seen from the existing examples. I also hit the Archives and know I found the order to apply that star, but don't have a clue where it is in my files to find a definite date. Maybe it was a mid year change, I don't know . If I knew where the doc is in my files, I would post it.

But I do know 100% for sure there are 1921 NM rifles out there without the star stamp at the muzzle.

With that being said, I do think your rifle barrel is star guaged. I do think that is a star gauge registry number on the barrel. I am leary of that star stamp on the muzzle though. That stamp does not look right to me when I look at it.

Are the receiver rails polished though? It should be easy to see.

If the rails and follower are polished, I just think it's a sporterized NM rifle that someone turned into a sporter. It was really common back then. I actually found several pics and mentions of them putting 30CAL NM rifles in the .22 cal stocks at the Archives. But no it wouldn't have left SA in that configuration is what you were wondering. These were modifications that guys did to the rifles back then for target practice, since the NRA sporters were very popular back then. I imagine it was built into this configuration years after it was first built.

For example, 03 with a heavy barrel and M2 stock. Taken in 1940 as potential sniper rifle variant by the USMC.

A lot of civilian owners built them this way too. I found mentions of that as well.

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Likely original barrel. "A V" stamp indicates an Avis barrel, finished by S.A., which was done on many NM rifles post WWI. Stock likely replaced...My $.02...

I'm going to put it back in a correct stock so I was wondering if the M1922 stock is worth anything to anyone. It's a very nice piece of wood with only 2 very small dings but it has had the pistol grip cap added and the cutout for the cut-off switch has been hacked into the side. Is it repairable or worth anything?

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I was wondering if the M1922 stock is worth anything to anyone.

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Put it in the WTS here and have pics available, I promise someone will need it.