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Are M1s with high wood stocks more rare/valuable than M1s with low wood stocks? I'm looking at a 1943 Inland, high wood with oval cut, type 2 barrel band, Inland barrel, flat bolt, adjustable rear sight, push button safety, no visible cartouche on stock other than the circle P on the grip. Sorry, no pictures since it is in a gun store that doesn't allow them. Thanks for your help!
Condition always applies to both the action and the stock. All things being equal, high-wood stocks demand a premium. It may also depend on whether-or-not the right stock is on the right action. If the stock is mounted on a carbine that supposedly left the factory that way, it may enhance the value of the package.
The stock is marked "OI" in the sling slot. Both the metal and the wood are in pretty good shape. I didnt see a cartouche on the right side and that, along with the adjustable sight but no flip safety or bayonet lug worry me a little bit.
Carbine stocks like all other parts on a carbine are serial number dependent. An Inland with a type 2 barrel band and an adjustable rear sight can go together as well as the push button safety all in a type 2 stock. The flat bolt is questionable but possible. All depending on serial number range. The stock being apparently sanded does not bode well for being original as it left the factory.
That's what I was thinking. Serial # is 831,xxx. They are only asking $600.
That's the low end, so look for a reason it's on the low end. Look for a discoloration on the receiver from welding, especially easy to see on the left side. Look at the gas port for cracking around the piston nut of the barrel. Look for a cracked trigger lug on the rear. All that is easy to check once its out of the stock.
Also look at the stock for extraneous stamps from a rebuild process wherein they would add U, RA-P, P, circle P, CSAA, RSAA, BA, OG MR, etc. somewhere to the stock. Bavarian held stocks will have about 4 digits stamped in the left side cut out which matched the last four of the serial number of the action that was in the stock. That renders it less valuable.
Sometimes there's just a good price on the Carbine and you get a good deal. TO some people six hundred is still a lot of money when you can buy a lever action 336 or Savage bolt action for 350 retail.
Excellent advice, thanks!
That seems way too early for a type 2 band. I would think from that that the band might well be a cut off type 3. Also something you need to check out.
On an 831xxx, one would expect to see type two highwood stock, flat bolt, type one barrel band and a mix of slides and hammers. It could also have an SG receiver. I have had so many 6 digit Inland carbines that I think that's the only GI M1 carbine ever produced.
I was talking about the T2 BARREL BAND, not a T2 stock.
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Originally Posted by jimb16
You were right. I went back today and looked at it again and it does have a type 1 band. I'm still a little worried about the band since it is stamped "UI" on the outside tang but it looks like the fake ones out of Carlsbad. Were the original Inland type 1 barrel bands marked "UI"?Quote:
Originally Posted by jimb16
Yes, here's the one on my 6 digit Inland. - Bob
Yikes, mine isn't in the same place, it is on the shank of the sling loop. Yours definitely looks genuine.Quote:
Originally Posted by USGI
If it is on the sling loop, the lettering will be thinner/fine lined.
Here's the left side of the same Inland. - Bob
Exactly how would you have based your assessment about the originality of his part?Quote:
Originally Posted by Singer B
I went ahead and purchased it since everything else I have been seeing in shops and at shows in California and Arizona is running $1,100+. I figured what the hell, I will be able to afford some replacement parts for the ones that are not original. I cannot pick it up until the 25th, but they did let me take a couple of pictures of the barrel band so please let me know what you think. The lettering size/font and location resembles examples of the forged bands from Carlsbad that I have seen pictures of and doesn't match the photos I have seen of reportedly legitimate bands.
Might just be the lighting, but the band looks a bit too shiny. In the first picture the swivel color doesn't look like it matches the band, but again it could be just the lighting. Hope to see more pictures after the 25th! - Bob
Thanks! I'll post them as soon as I get them. I'm also interested in what all of you think of the stock reference it possibly having been sanded and possibly refinished or stained. I have my suspicions but I am no expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by USGI
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Originally Posted by Singer B
Here is a recent sale of just a Hi-wood stock @ $630.00Quote:
Originally Posted by Singer B
M1 CARBINE WORLD WAR II ORIGINAL INLAND HIGH WOOD I CUT STOCK TYPE 1 | eBay
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3/sl1600-2.jpg
That stock is really nice. The stock on the rifle we have been discussing has the oval cut. I wish it had the "I" cut like that one!
The seller only got $540 or so after fees.
I went to pick up the Inland today and was informed that despite having a C&R FFL and California COE, I still had to wait the 10 days since the gun is a consignment sale. Ridiculous. If I could leave California I would. On an interesting note, during the 1.5 hours I was there, they sold over 40 guns, many to first time buyers (which was pretty obvious). I will pick the Inland up and load pictures on April 4th or 5th.
Finally picked it up today (went on Saturday but the State of California had a computer glitch that delayed everyone getting their firearms for at least 1 day past the 10 day limit). It appears to have many original parts but also some mixmaster parts (top handguard marked S-HB, Standard Products op rod, type 2 dogleg hammer). Other than that, all parts match what should be there. My main question is the stock. I don't want to mess it up. Can anyone advise if they believe it has been refinished? The overall gun appears to be in really good shape.
Also, the rear sight is adjustable but it doesn't appear to fit in the dovetail slot correctly (the base of the sight extends past the edges of the receiver base). The "oiler" is a piece of plastic and the last owner installed the sling incorrectly. I look forward to your recommendations and advice. Thank you!
Yes, you were correct, it has an "SG" receiver!Quote:
Originally Posted by deldriver
What is the stock marked in the sling well? I don't see an acceptance stamp on the right side of the stock.
He's already told us about the markings in earlier posts. I would say it was sanded and refinished during a rebuild at one time or another. I have a six digit Inland (476K) that I believe has the original stock. The wood is a bit higher than the butt plate and yours seems about even with it. I tried to make a composite picture with your stock and mine. Didn't turn out real well, but you should be able to see what I'm talking about. - Bob
It is marked "OI" in the sling well. I think it has been sanded and refinished also. The cartouche that should be on the right side is gone and it just seems too smooth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill
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I just did the same comparison with my Underwood which I am 99% sure is original and you are correct, there is a noticeable difference on the edge along the butt plate. Based upon the info, I know what today's COVID19 lockdown project is going to be. The pictures were a big help.Quote:
Originally Posted by USGI
The rear sight does hang off the sides of the dove tail on all carbines. The dove tail was not designed for an adjustable rear sight just the type 1 flip sight. So when centered it over hangs on both sides of the dove tail.
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Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill