Took the kids out to the range and was able to catch the muzzle blast from a Mosin Nagant M38 using TulAmmo 7.62x54R 148 Grain FMJ Steel Case.
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Took the kids out to the range and was able to catch the muzzle blast from a Mosin Nagant M38 using TulAmmo 7.62x54R 148 Grain FMJ Steel Case.
They are impressive little carbines. I kept mine when I downsized my Soviet collection for that exact reason.
We banned the use of them in summer prone as the chances of starting a grass fire were pretty high its like when it went off was like a bunsen burner on steroids..........:eek:
I can see them causing fires. This picture was not the biggest muzzle blast either! just the one I could capture. I swear I saw one round chuck a flame 30 inches (762mm) or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
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I saw another last Thursday in a gun shop and almost bought it. I have too many 91 Mosins and need to thin my collection though first I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eaglelord17
The flame at the muzzle is real under those conditions in the shade [not muzzle blast, which is the sound and shock wave effect]. Were you to shoot in full sun or with different ammunition the flame would be different and probably not present. It is the same for just about any carbine when using full loads intended for rifle barrels. That is why current military rifles and carbines are all fitted with a flash hider, having such short barrels, firing ammunition intended for use in machine guns too.
The flame is from propellant not consumed in the barrel but outside it, thus confirming the shorter barrel needs less or different propellant. For the intended use of this carbine I suppose the muzzle flame was irrelevant. I know this milsurp ammo, but still, don't blame the firearm for the ammunition used.
Excellent photo, catching the flame just right.
You are correct. I suppose I should have termed it Muzzle Flash rather than Blast but in my mind was referring to the report and flash. I have had this many of my rifles including my modern weapons with factory ammo. But I don't recall blaming the rifle or ammo for the flash. I was just happy to have been able to catch the stream of flame exiting the muzzle and really what my post was about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daan Kemp
Surplus ammo was loaded with slower burning powders that worked best with the longer barreled M91/30 rifles and gave a complete burn hence the fireball for the shorter barreled carbines.
Back when I got my M44 I cleaned off a few shooting benches on either side of me of loose item from the muzzle blast as well.
Our M44 is nicknamed "The Dragon." It is pretty cool!
Love my type 53, 44, and 38 carbines, the 38 is my favorite though.
Was shooting some Yugo heavy ball in my Russian M44 and while shooting it did notice the muzzle flash, one of the other shooters came down and said pretty impressive. Gave him 5 rounds and try it out. Standing off to one side impressive to say the least. Then the range officer came along and asked if he could try it. Big smile on his face and a "gotta get me one of these" sayings. Couple weeks later he found one. Have to say those little carbines can be quite accurate when fed the right ammo. Frank
There is a guy selling an M44 close to here. I got a friend of mine interested just reminding him of the fireball of my own:lol:
Mine is Covid CDC compliant because the blast is very effective in incentivizing social distancing at the range.
Impressive timing with your camera. did you just get a luck snap? or crop from a video?
I tried like heck to capture that with my phones camera No Joy - It was later when I was viewing a video I saw that I had a clip with the firebal,l so yup, I use my editing software to pull a picture from a frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by ssgross
I recall years ago seeing either a picture or a short video of an M44 being fired at dusk. The sun had already set but there was still just enough light to see the target & the shooter. Needless to say, the blast that came out of that muzzle literally looked like a flamethrower, a ball of fire that reached out 6-8 feet and lit up the whole area. My first reaction was: can you imagine back in WWII the look on the German's faces seeing a whole line of Russians charging at them with those guns a-blazing? Yeah, I'd be throwing my hands up in the air too.....
I think they rather mowed them down...
They were used enough to the Russian material superiority.
The "muzzle effect" from issue ball in the old 8 x 56R M95 Steyr carbines is pretty wild.
Recoil is a bit of a wake-up call, as well.
Amen to that. M95 Steyr probably the meanest recoil I've ever felt, shoulder black-n-blue for days afterwards....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce_in_Oz