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I've been watching this Garand auction. Thought I could see a problem with picture #13 that wasn't mentioned in the description.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/858452704
It sold today and brought more than I had expected. I'd be interested in any comments - maybe I'm seeing something that's not really there, or maybe the bidders weren't concerned? - Bob
I see it too, looks like a spot of weld on the left side of the bolt tail (or is it grease?) and like it was a demil receiver welded together again? Right rear side shows what appears to be weld... Look at pic 12, area just over the clip latch, isn't right either. I don't think you missed anything. Looks like the greased things to try to deceive.
Ouch. Between the crack and the possible welded receiver probably paid 3X the value of the remaining parts.
You can see the backside of this area in pic 3 though a bit out of focus.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
It definitely looks sketchy from that side too!
Thanks guys! Exactly what I was seeing, plus I now see it the other pictures that were pointed out. Thought there must be some special value to a few of the other parts to bring that much - sounds like there wasn't. - Bob
Why all the ridges on the rear of the bolt body bottom right of pic its like the bolt over rotates is this normal, also is it the fine line and those little peaks of missing metal at the bottom of the receiver near the wood both sides and a fine crack one can see on top of the charging handle side of the action! Just curious and should the buyer be aware of these things. Just want to learn.
I don't know what the deal is on that bolt with the ridges. I recently bought my 1st (and likely only) M1 Rifle, and had seen one with a welded receiver once before at a local gun show. I spotted the welded receiver on the GB rifle right away - visible on both sides of the bolt in that top view. I agree with BAR "Jim" that the receiver was likely put together from de-milled parts. Yes, the little "peaks/cracks" are clues, along with the color variation in the weld areas. Here are a couple pictures of mine. Some think I paid too much, but it was less than 2/3 of what that one on GB sold for. Mine's got a few later parts on it, but I'm happy with it. Have a bit of trouble lifting it though, compared to the carbines - it weighs almost double! - Bob
Nice looking piece of wood on that one...
Very Special wood neat and tidy.
I was watching that one out of curiosity. The seller is local and has had a few rifles for sale lately. 15’ away it looks nice. Up close there is a lot of issues. Most of the parts have a problem. The receiver is almost certainly welded, machine lines don’t line up. The stock is cracked. The gas cylinder is cut. Not much left to work with.
Nothing wrong with the cut in the cylinder, done at the arsenal.Quote:
Originally Posted by bml
That's right, they were done so the front would tighten up on the barrel. Less rotational wobble...Quote:
Originally Posted by AFJon
I'm new to these rifles. It looks like a saw cut. Is that from de-milling operations? Welcome to the Forum! - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by bml
Oops! Didn't see the posts on Page 2 explaining the "gas cylinder cut" when I responded earlier today.
I repaired/tuned and stocked up a reweld M1 Rifle just like it a couple of years ago for a guy in Palm Desert, California. It was a good shooter when i was done. The welds are not in a critical area. They aren't uncommon and are what they are.
Is the reason because the welds are behind the main bolt locking lugs? - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by Brian Dick
I bet they’d seem pretty “critical” if you realized they were there after spending $1,300 on the rifle ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Dick
I think the welds are in the middle because that was the easiest place to cut them in the first place.
I'm talking about safety not finance. You just can't fix stupid when it comes to some folks who buy everything at auction. You also can't keep the sellers from being fraudulent which is what it is. That being said, in the period of time between 1968 and 1986 when good M1 Rifles were in short supply, many demilled receivers got rewelded and many rifles built using them. Some were beautifully done and some not. The one I repaired and restocked was nicer than the one we're talking about here but it was still pretty obvious. At least to me. Most if not all are functional either way. They're out there so caveat emptor.
That’s pretty much the long and short of it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian Dick
Guess you mean the Garand and a M1 Carbine rcathey!:madsmile: