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Any information about Ross 1905 Mark 2 ** Civilian Target Rifle in .303 British with serial number 5,000, very nice wood and possibly a presentation rifle would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to find out if there are any records of owners of civilian target rifles, presentation rifles and any matches those rifles might have been used in.
thanks,
Flintlock 50
Long stock? Short stock?
Regular bayonet standard or long bayonet standard?
Rear sight on barrel?
Which target sight?
Rifle has BSA Martin rear sight, full length stock, 30.5" barrel so Ross bayonet will not reach to bayonet lug on barrel; rear sight mount is on barrel but sight itself has been removed in favor of the BSA.
Thanks for your interest....
Here's a link to an 85 picture photo montage of the 1905 Ross Mk II** Civilian Target Rifle in my collection ...
1905 Ross Mk II** Civilian Target Rifle Serial # 4901 (click here)
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Regards,
Doug
Thanks for pictures. Mine has same sight base on barrel and same BSA rear sight. Wood is similar and metal looks in similar condition as well....Thanks for pictures. Does anyone think that the serial number of an even 5,000 might mean a presentation rifle?
I am new to this site, but when I can figure out how, I will post some pictures of my rifle.
Thanks!
Am I the only one who has trouble viewing the 85-picture photo montage? The link just takes me to the same 3 pictures in another thread. I went to the knowledge library, assuming the montage was there, but......nope. Is there a secret handshake, perhaps? :D
Anyone wanting to see the Ross Mark 2 ** Civilian Target Rifle with serial number 5,000 can go to Photo Gallery on this site, type in Ross and you should see my rifle under username of Molly Dog. I posted those pictures several years ago, sadly, Molly the dog went to Llewellin Setter doggie heaven 4 years ago. But, I still have the rifle for now and am now registered with username of Flintlock50.
Thanks!
Sorry, link was bad... fixed now. :thup:Quote:
Originally Posted by vykkagur
Regards,
Doug
Appreciate the photos Flintlock50, thank you. Good-looking rifle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flintlock50
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Ah, there it is - and well worth the wait! A beautiful example Doug.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badger
Unfortunately, unless it is a presentation rifle with a butt placard, it is almost impossible to trace where the rifles went to/came from. Particularly with the civilian models which do not have the unit designations that the military targets have, instead only having the barrel serial number is most cases. I went onto the Ross Rifle Forum to look at the serial number list. Unfortunately, serial 5000 is not listed, with a gap in numbers between 4997 and 5025. Your rifle is not a presentation grade rifle, though you should note the civilian targets often had higher grade wood than the military targets.
I meant to ask: You seem to have a fairly complicated eyepiece on your rear sight. Is it some form of variable aperture?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flintlock50
Thank you Sharps45-70. The information you supplied is most appreciated. I always suspected that tracing ownership would be unlikely. Do you have any information as to when this rifle with serial number 5,000 might have been manufactured? also, any idea of how many 1905 Civilian Target Rifles might have been made? did the serial numbers include target rifles and sporters mixed in the same number range? any other information would be most appreciated.
Also, the rifle rear sight has an adjustable aperture, as noted by vykkagur in thread above.....
Looks very Heath Robinson. I'm used to seeing the ones with an offset knurled wheel sticking out the side, but this one appears to have two adjusters orbiting the aperture, much more sophisticated. I couldn't find it in the BSA or Parker-Hale catalogues. Any markings on it to identify the maker?
The serial numbers include all commercial rifle production, which is all civilian sales of target and hunting rifles. There were two major version of the military/civilian target rifles, the earlier style with the two piece handguard and a barrel mounted sight, and the later style with a single piece handguard without the barrel sight. Yours is the earlier two piece, first offered in their 1908 catalogue. I stand to be corrected, but as memory serves they changed to the single piece around 1911. According to the RRS, there were approximately 9,000 total sold by 1913. I would slug your bore, but many of the earlier rifles have .308" bored instead of the later .311/.312" unless it has a "2" barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flintlock50
Regarding the rear sight, there were many sights that can be found on these target rifles, practically any period target sight could be mounted. More to the point, it is common to see eyepiece modifications as individual users tinkered with their rifles.
Thanks Vykkagur & Sharps 45-70....the adjustable rear aperture was found at a gun show and used on this rifle as well as a Motty Special....I will check to see if there is a name on the aperture...It has been years since I have had the barreled action out of the stock....where would I look for "2" on the barrel? I am sure I have slugged the barrel and will have to look for my notes on bore diameter....would date of production most likely fall between 1908 and 1911?
I am getting on in years and have been slowly finding new homes for some of my collection and the Ross will need a new home soon...is this site a good place to list for sale?
The adjustable aperture is marked on back side "Made in England" and on face with AGP. It has a removable yellow filter. The bore slugs at .3115-.312.
AGP would refer, I assume, to A.G. Parker, who later merged with A.T.C. Hale to form Parker-Hale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flintlock50
The "2" would be just above or just below the serial number on the barrel. You shouldn't have to disassemble anything to find it. If there isn't one, it is the original barrel. Production would date closer to 1911, probably 1910 or 1911 due to the higher serial number for the range. Sometime in the 1908-1911 period they made the transition to the .3115 bore (1910-1911 ish) so that makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flintlock50
I also sent you a PM regarding some details of your rifle.
Pictures of Ross Mark 2** Civilian Target Rifle
And the earlier photos.