I know during the WW-2 era [late] that they did put the M4 bayonet on some M1 carbines, did they also put them on the M1A1's ?
Have seen some era pic's of the M1 with the bayonet on them, but not seen any pic's of the M1A1 with one. thank's.
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I know during the WW-2 era [late] that they did put the M4 bayonet on some M1 carbines, did they also put them on the M1A1's ?
Have seen some era pic's of the M1 with the bayonet on them, but not seen any pic's of the M1A1 with one. thank's.
Same here, never seen a bayo on a M1A1 during WWII.Quote:
Originally Posted by lboos
If interested on more info about use of the M1A1.... We tried tracking it's use by Air troopers in this link that contains more links to pictures and some video:
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=67618
I'd read or heard someplace that the whole rationale for the M3 fighting knife was to give paratroopers a blade because the carbine did not, initially, come with a bayonet. Of course, the M3 was the ancestor to the whole series of bayonets based on that blade pattern. M4 for the M1 carbine, M5 for M1 rifle, M6 for the M14 and M7 for the M16. The silly *** M9 came out after Fort Benning became enamored of the finger lopping, AK toad stabber, wire cutter and bottle opener.
The reason I ask is I have a M1a1 that has all the mod's on it, I was thinking about removing the bayonet lug band and putting on a spare type 2 barrel band to make it look more like the ww2 era to display with some other items I have, the barrel on it has no dark area on it from where the bayonet lug was like most do. I know it will still have the adj. sight on it but I have seen pic's of the A1 with no bayonet lug, but with the adjust. sight in that era. ....or should I just leave it alone like it is ? what would you do, Thank's
It is a nice carbine as is. I would keep it the way it is.
Best Regards.....Frank
Didn't they rebuild all M1A1s about the time of Korea and those mods went on? They all got the updates as a matter of course. I wouldn't change it, the only other way to have it would be the original configuration and that's not really possible.
In November 1944 inland started with the type 3 barrel bands. The first carbines to get them was the M1A1's. When the monthly production was reached any bands left over were used in normal carbine production.
Bruce,
Thanks for that info. on the bayonet lug's on the A1's. I have never heard that before.
I wonder what the reason for that was ?
Where did you find that info ? I have looked all over with no luck, ...Thank's ;)
I remember Brian made a similar post once, on one of the forums.
ten,Quote:
Originally Posted by tenOC
I don't understand your comment, did I post something wrong ?
There is a good article on "Bayonet Lug Usage on the M1A1 Carbine" in CCNL 348-4.
W5UMC,Quote:
Originally Posted by W5USMC
Not familiar with CCNL 348-4 but while trying to research it I found a lot of good articles on the A1, but still not a lot on the M3 barrel band on the A1's except a short article that some were put on the second batch of A1's at the very end of the run in late 1944. so, I guess that's it. ;)
I remember Brian made a similar post once, on one of the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill
In light of all the info generously provided, I guess the question for you would be, is your M1A1 an Inland of the proper SN range to have been provided with the bayonet lug? Most of the 'M1A1s' are 'put-togethers', a lot of which was done by the military as well as on the civilian side. If you have an authentic, correct inland M1A1 with the bayo lug, you definitely would never modify it in any way. If its a 'put-together' or a non-Inland receiver or barrel, it doesn't matter.
Inland44,
The gun is a Inland sn. 695709 that would be to early for the bayonet lug, right? I don't know if it is the org. gun that came with this A1 stock or not. any way I decided to just leave it like it is. although I have thought about replacing the face pad rivets, the pad looks good but it has the wrong rivets in it, I have 4 ea. of what I've been told are the correct rivets, I started once to replace them but backed out for fear I would make a mess out of it. has any one replaced the rivets in there face pad ? I'm not sure how to do it, what type tools etc. thanks for any advice ? ;)
The rivets are the only thing on the gun that sticks, they look like they are chrome plated ???
No way to edit, what happened ???????
I put way to much in post above, how do I edit it ????
The little edit post at the bottom is missing.
Yes, too early.Quote:
Originally Posted by lboos
Try sending a PM to one of the moderators - if no response, PM Badger and he will be able to fix it for you. :thup: - Bob
Boos,
I've heard some say solid rivets and some say tubular.
I don't know which or if either are right.
I've pressed my share of Rivets back in my school years working at a Marina, but done by air.
I've used both of these companies below for supply on projects.
Do some internet searches and I'm sure you'll find which size, style and finish you'd need.
BTW, If you pull those, it would give you a chance at darkening your leather if you wish.
If your spring is weak, this would be the time to replace it.
I believe the brake and clutch rivets were marked "7/4"
Both of these dealers MAY carry the size, finish, markings you need:
Brake Lining Rivets | Clutch Facing Rivets | Jay-Cee Sales & Rivet, Inc.
BRAKE Supply Co,
I think these are the dimensions you'd need.... BUT DOUBLE CHECK
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...20XS0706-1.jpg
100 Brass "7/4" for 100 x .07 cent:
Products - Hanson Rivet Online Store
100 Steel Plated "7/4" for .03 cent x 100:
Products - Hanson Rivet Online Store
Would give you plenty to practice with :lol:
You may find rivets on Ebay or Amazon. I've used a Hand held Rivet set tool that worked.
Sometimes see them on Ebay amazon also.
Hopefully others will step in and give more advise.
Later Buddy :wave:
Okay, is it an Inland barrel? What's the barrel date? If the barrel goes with the receiver, the bayo lug would have been installed by the military during an upgrade/overhaul. If the finish is original (blued) it might be worth putting on the correct band. If it has been parkerized, you may as well leave it as is.Quote:
Originally Posted by lboos
I-44, are you saying a 600K Inland would have originally had a blued barrel rather than parkerized? - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by INLAND44
On the barrel is: Inland mfg. div. General motors 9-43. it does look like the barrel is parkerized so I'll just leave it alone. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by INLAND44
Boos,
Checkout this old link to a 300,957 Inland I came across. It will show you the two tone finish. Some of the pictures were before cleaning. After inspection I added pictures of it after cleaning. There is a long slide show that I believe still works and links to the original owner.
It's a very nice example of a nearly pristine carbine.
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=49949
Will anyone who opens the link above and then clicks on 'The Slide Show' Let me know if the link works for you..... Thanks
CH-P777
Neither Photobucket links work for me. I do see the inline pictures (which make me want to see them all!)
I can't get the links to play either Charlie, that's why I like to put the pics here for posterity.
Worked for me just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Must have to do with our operating systems...different.
This is a rerun from some years back, But Dang it, it allows me to see the slideshow, but must have me signed in.
That Slide Show is 180 pics.
I'm at my limit there on PB, actually over but am leery of paying for upgraded service just for them to come back later and hold me hostage again $$. So currently I can't use them to host on forums.
Last try is a copy/paste from the PB file: Inland 300957 Slideshow by Painter8439 | Photobucket
If this doesn't work, I'll have to figure out something tomorrow......... What a great day for our central air to quit !!
The slideshow worked fine for me, I seen all 180 pictures
Took a couple tries before my computer would run the slide show, but finally worked - that's a valuable reference for anyone owning an early Inland. :thup: - Bob
I could see it this time until it changed screens and wanted me to log in. I'm not a member so I'm hooped.
My produced 12/44 to 1/45 Inland has an original type 3 band.