Printable View
Guys,
Does this appear to be the real USGI NOS barrel from the 40's or 50's or is this something else from a different period that's not what it appears and might be unreliable?
Your thoughts are more than welcome.
M1 Carbine Barrel Saginaw | eBay
Thanks,
320ht.INF
It appears to be legit, but I would wonder a bit about the description which lists N.O.S, used, and previously owned. It does look like it has been "spiffed up" a bit, possibly to hide some handling marks or storage problems. The barrel could have been rejected due to something out of spec, or could have been a genuine "ready to install" replacement barrel and packaged as such. I believe it should have a punch mark showing if it passed "High Pressure Testing." It is an earlier barrel with the "long skirt" - I'm not sure about the finish on it, but appears to have been touched up. Maybe you have time to ask the seller a few questions. Also, take a look at the older threads listed at the bottom of this page under "similar threads" - Good Luck! - Bob
Make sure to read the "similar thread" from 2018 - my comment about the "punch" mark should be changed to a P marking for the S.G. barrels.
My concerns are exactly what you have spoken to above. Looks refinished, may be a later make replacement or a rejected barrel. The early long skirt is interesting as well.
I'll ask about the "pressure testing", we'll see what he says.
Thanks for the reply,
Tom
The ones that I have had in the past had the front sight, early non-bayonet barrel band and gas piston installed so it was ready for use upon installation to the receiver. It could have been a new barrel that was stripped of it parts too.
Below is the answer I received from the seller concerning the pressure testing "P" marking question I asked the sell, take it for what it's worth.
A "P" would not be present as these barrels have not been installed on a gun. They were originally produced by the manufacturer as replacement barrels per contract. The P was added after the gun was proof fired. You are absolutely correct...barrels of this quality are extremely rare. I purchased them many years ago from a gun parts dealer who purchased them at auction from the government in the early 70s. I don't get much call to install many carbine barrels these days so I'm thinning my inventory. These are the last of my barrels that will be for sale.
A rejected barrel, it really could be....... from the early 70's is along time to be sitting around...........
This has been a tough one... Woke up last night thinking about this one, so here's a Ramble for ya.
Is it a Reject? IDK If so it's sure been around a long time.
Is / was it for over seas support? Most I've seen like in Norway are complete with sight, gas piston, barrel band.
Then got to thinking about not having a P stamp.... ?
So I read this from The Sleepless One's (Jim M) site:
Each prime contractor who manufactured their own barrels manufactured extra barrels for use as spares. Also for the Government Free Issue Barrel Program.
Barrels produced as extras were to be proof tested and marked by the manufacturer. To save the time and eliminate duplicated effort the Government Free Issue Barrel Program indicated the barrels for their program were not to be proof tested and marked until they were assembled to the receiver.
However, some manufacturers continued to proof fire and mark their barrels. This resulted in some barrels being proof tested and proof marked twice, once by the barrel manufacturer and again when assembled to the carbine.
So when looking back at:
Government Free Issue Barrel Program indicated the barrels for their program were not to be proof tested and marked until they were assembled to the receiver.
So here we have one that doesn't have a proof fire stamp.
So possibly never assembled to a receiver?
And looks as though it's never been installed by Bubba or the Government.
Makes you wonder if it missed getting the stamp ? IDK
What I do know is I have 3 SG's here and none of them have the Shoulder Face, Skirt or Chamber Parked.
May just be the auction picture...... but it appears to be Parked in those areas.
Even the little dent on the edge of the chamber face has finish on it. Parked after dent?
Also wonder why there is a stake mark at the rear of the front sight key way, which is also parked.
Would a NOS barrel come with a rear frt sight chisel stake mark ?
Maybe used by NPM and just a punch mark, though unlikely.
My Best guess: that it had a light small P stamp that may partially remain after being blasted for the Re-Park.
Pictures of the area for the Gas Piston may reveal if a nut was ever staked.
Be nice to see down the bore also.
Glad I'm not in the market.
Cheers,
PS I'll ask around if any reported SG barrels with NO proof stamp and follow up here.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...7/sl1600-7.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...7/sl1600-8.jpg
Old link here that has been Re-parked. But has a Bomb on the side of the gas cylinder, a P stamp and NO stake mark at the rear of the Frt sight keyway:
https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=66131
Well, after speaking with the seller again, he said there are two stake marks where the gas piston was installed at one time, but no damage to the threads (not much of an answer on the threads, sounds like a redirect answer). So, it appears there was a front sight installed and staked along with the gas piston and as you previously stated I believe it's been "cleaned up".
Never installed, who knows.
None the less I really do thank you all for your incite, research, and keen eyes.
Take care
And with that........ Tonight I sleep !
Same seller getting ready to sell a WRA barrel as NOS. No pics of Gas Cylinder threads to look for stake marks. Though a side view seems to show crud in the threads. No picture of the Frt Sight Keyway but a side view looks as though there might be a raised metal spot like a staking of the rear of the lead sight key.
Looking at where the frt sight was on/ now removed shows the difference in how it took the new park. 4 hours to go it's @ $534.00. No way to know (unless someone asked him) how far from the muzzle the W and Ovaled PW stamp are located. If someone is buying for a restoration, it could be shear luck if it's the correct vintage per their serial #.
NOS, My @ss.
Link if interested: M1 Carbine Barrel Winchester | eBay
ETA: Thought I hit PREVIEW but hit Submit. Prolly best I did...... Grumpy today trying to figue out how to pull my pics from PB and how/where to store them so I'll be able to post them as Jpegs (?)
Yes, I saw the same listing. All the photos are showing what he wants you to see and not what's really pertinent or important. Why would anyone take a NOS "never installed" barrel remove the front sight, gas piston, and re-park?
I just can't find the logic on either of his listings.
I have a do not buy from list and now have added another..............
Yep, been watching that one since the Saginaw was mentioned. "Never installed," too! It's almost swallowing that carbine round as far as his IBM "shooter" barrel - noticed the finish on the "shooter" matches all the others we've been watching. :rolleyes: - Bob
LOL,Quote:
Originally Posted by USGI
I have a distant cousin who works in Maritime Archaeology (sp ?). I'm sure he's seen relics brought up that are in better shape.
Guy should have wrote this one up as " Recovered and Restored from the Battle for Iwo Jima"
To Add: About the Underwood barrel:
"barrel has a slight ring about 3/4" from the muzzle. Could possibly be back-bored or threaded for a blank adapter to remove."
Seems if he offers barrel installation, he would know what's up. Even an attempt at a picture could help.
"But No Bulge"
D@mn.........