Some old rifle team photos showing Ross rifles

Notice how around 1907-9 the Ross almost completely replaces the Lee Enfield. The James Sclator mentioned is later Maj. J. Sclator OC of the Canadian School of Sniping at Mont des Cats, France. Maj. Hart McHarg was a very well known rifleman and Boer War veteran/author who died of wounds as OC of the 7th Battalion CEF in 1915.

(These photos will enlarge A LOT if you click on the second to last icon at the bottom.)

1. Maj. Hart McHarg with the "[Palma]Long Range Championship of the World with Army Rifle, Camp Perry, Ohio, 1913", Governor General's Prize etc.
2. Hart McHarg and James Sclator as officers of the Duke of Connaught's Own Rifles, with "the Barlow Trophy"
3. BC Rifle Team, perhaps at the Connaught Ranges, 1909-13 (Westley-Richards sight on rifle held by man 3rd from left, front row)
4. Canadian Team at Bisley 1905
5. Canadian Team at Bisley 1909
6. Title in photo (Note fellow out front in Homburg hat also in last photo)
7. Vancouver Rifle Association Team 1913. (Notice the Humphrey's sight bridge, also made in Vancouver)
8. Canadian Team at Bisley 1907 (Note the range must be close to 1000 yards and slings set on the piling swivels)
9. BC Rifle Team, winners of London Merchants' Challenge Cup (DCRA) 1908

Thanks for sharing the pictures.

A few more.

1. Members of 90th Rifles and others probably at Winnipeg 1910-13
2. Grave of Lt. Col. Hart-McHarg
3. The future G.O.C. of the Canadian Corps, Arthur Currie, when a Major in the 5th "BC" Regt. R.G.A. He soon moved over to the 50th Gordon Highlanders and from there it was all up.
4. Hart-McHarg's awards and decorations.

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Hart-McHarg's awards and decorations

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Most impressive, Crimea, Africa with four campaigns and MID in WW1. Plus...

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Arthur Currie, when a Major in the 5th "BC" Regt. R.G.A.

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He was certainly younger there, not many that were more dedicated to the military that he was.

Some very nice rifles in those pics.

He was much too young for Crimea, the top left row is from his father or uncle; one or both of them served there.

Won the Governor General's Prize twice by the look of it.

Here's the 1913 Presentation, and the Palma team for 1913. (Notice the slings are now run through the middle band as well)

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He was much too young for Crimea, the top left row is from his father or uncle; one or both of them served there.

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I see, nice group.

I see the long bayonet bar on that Mk II** held by the man seated on the left side (Sclator) in the second photo (top group). That bayonet bar was mandated by the British. I have one of those rifles--ridiculous looking bayonet lug but an interesting piece of history!

Ed

Does anyone have photos of the single-shot, heel-sighted .280 used in competition?

Try here - same rifle, different site:

Ross Model 1905 – 1910 Match Target Rifle

Ross Model 1905 – 1910 Match Target Rifle for sale

Gold range rifle asso. picture intresting to see all the rifles pointed into the group. How things have changed.

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Try here - same rifle, different site:

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Thanks - I do know what the rifles look like. Below are three of mine (two first models and one second model). What I am interested in seeing is some vintage photos - such as team photos - where these rifles are present.

https://i.imgur.com/ayb6NV4.jpg?1

Lucky man

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Thanks - I do know what the rifles look like. Below are three of mine (two first models and one second model). What I am interested in seeing is some vintage photos - such as team photos - where these rifles are present.

https://i.imgur.com/ayb6NV4.jpg?1

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IIRC those back position rifles were built for individual rather than team competition. A post on The UK's Finest Independent Forum for Shooters and Gun Owners. Est 2010. Index page. might elicit a response from someone who knows where other period photos from Bisley would be found. (The wordy link title is somehow permanently associated with that site which is full bore dot co dot uk - it pops back no matter whether you delete it or not!)

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IIRC those back position rifles were built for individual rather than team competition. A post on The UK's Finest Independent Forum for Shooters and Gun Owners. Est 2010. Index page. might elicit a response from someone who knows where other period photos from Bisley would be found. (The wordy link title is somehow permanently associated with that site which is full bore dot co dot uk - it pops back no matter whether you delete it or not!)

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Thanks for the tip. I just joined that site. I posted an inquiry and we'll see if it yields anything. I have struggled to find much information on the history of these rifles in competition.

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Thanks for the tip. I just joined that site. I posted an inquiry and we'll see if it yields anything. I have struggled to find much information on the history of these rifles in competition.

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Considering how few were built not too surprising I suppose. The National Rifle Association of G.B. might have something in their archives. The first step would be to narrow down in what types of matches these rifles were used?

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Originally Posted by boltman

Thanks - I do know what the rifles look like. Below are three of mine (two first models and one second model). What I am interested in seeing is some vintage photos - such as team photos - where these rifles are present.

https://i.imgur.com/ayb6NV4.jpg?1

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What is the difference between a "first model" and a "second model" ?

I have a 1905/1910 action which was either someone's project or a salesman's sample - the stock is sectioned to show the staking of the magazine cut-off.

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What is the difference between a "first model" and a "second model" ?

I have a 1905/1910 action which was either someone's project or a salesman's sample - the stock is sectioned to show the staking of the magazine cut-off.

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The stock design is the difference between the first model and second model. The second model has a beefier stock with grooved forearm. Note, they have this reversed in The Ross Rifle Story.

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Try here - same rifle, different site:

Ross Model 1905 – 1910 Match Target Rifle

Ross Model 1905 – 1910 Match Target Rifle for sale

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Good links; and here they are for future reference: (use expand photo icon)

Very Nice collection!!!