Fake Stock Markings

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08-02-2020, 01:19 PM
Singer B

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Fake Stock Markings

I am hoping to get some help. I am looking to purchase this M1 carbine on the internet (yea, I know!). The dealer is reputable but not all that knowledgeable reference milsurps. Every M1 carbine these days is pretty expensive so before I shell out some $$, I would like your advice reference the stock markings. If you look very closely near the wrist, I think I see a "GHB" stamp in a square box but it appears to be canted about 45 degrees. Your opinions reference the validity of the stock are appreciated.

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08-02-2020, 02:31 PM
jimb16

Give us a frame of reference. What are the markings in the sling well. From what I can see, it looks like it might be an early Underwood.
08-02-2020, 02:45 PM
Singer B

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It is on an early model Rock Ola. The only pictures provided don't reveal anything obvious in the sling well.

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08-02-2020, 03:03 PM
DaveHH

It's certainly not Rock ola.
08-02-2020, 04:15 PM
deldriver

RMC sent Underwood some I-cut stocks early on that could have a T and a F ( not necessarily both) in the slingwell; I'm pretty sure this is one of them with a fake looking QHMC stamp near the oiler slot.
08-02-2020, 07:07 PM
Bruce McAskill

When ones sees a stock this sanded and an acceptance stamp that half is new and the other half is well sanded then alarm bells should be going off.
08-02-2020, 08:56 PM
Singer B

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Originally Posted by Bruce McAskill

When ones sees a stock this sanded and an acceptance stamp that half is new and the other half is well sanded then alarm bells should be going off.

Thank you, that makes sense. In your opinion, would a Rock Ola receiver in a non Rock Ola stock still be a good investment since there are so few of them?
08-02-2020, 09:07 PM
deldriver

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Originally Posted by Singer B

Thank you, that makes sense. In your opinion, would a Rock Ola receiver in a non Rock Ola stock still be a good investment since there are so few of them?

The stock is a Rock-ola made, it's just been sanded and a fake cartouche stamped on it.
08-02-2020, 11:26 PM
Singer B

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Originally Posted by deldriver

The stock is a Rock-ola made, it's just been sanded and a fake cartouche stamped on it.

As I am still learning, without seeing the markings in the sling well, how do I know its Rock ola? And if I acquire it, should I leave the fake cartouche or remove it? Thanks!
08-03-2020, 10:31 AM
deldriver

Honestly, it's been sanded so much that I can't see the RMC in the slingwell, just portions the letter on the bottom left corner. Unless you just have to buy it or there's some other upside to it then personally I would pass.
08-03-2020, 01:52 PM
Singer B

Thanks!
08-03-2020, 03:35 PM
painter777

Looking at it in 500x I can just make out the UEF over the GHD.
Not sure, but believe in the middle of the wrist you can make out the circular ghost of a Underwood CC.

Stock had to be sanded, to remove the splinters......... After someone put the Power Washer to it. Look at how it blew the grain open !
I agree with Del, that it is a RMC stock.

QHMC CC added to fill someones needs at the time, Shame.

Example Pic of UEF over GHD:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...69261615-1.jpg

PS: May be remnant of Circled P on grip bottom, unless Washed/sanded away.
08-03-2020, 04:03 PM
browningautorifle

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Originally Posted by painter777

Stock had to be sanded, to remove the splinters......... After someone put the Power Washer to it. Look at how it blew the grain open !

Artificial aging?
08-03-2020, 04:57 PM
Singer B

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Originally Posted by painter777

Looking at it in 500x I can just make out the UEF over the GHD.
Not sure, but believe in the middle of the wrist you can make out the circular ghost of a Underwood CC.

Stock had to be sanded, to remove the splinters......... After someone put the Power Washer to it. Look at how it blew the grain open !
I agree with Del, that it is a RMC stock.

QHMC CC added to fill someones needs at the time, Shame.

Example Pic of UEF over GHD:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...69261615-1.jpg

PS: May be remnant of Circled P on grip bottom, unless Washed/sanded away.

That's pretty cool! While I am not happy with that result, it definitely helps with my decision process reference this rifle. Thanks!
08-03-2020, 05:13 PM
painter777

Jim,
Somebody has tried a deep cleaning to degrease maybe using oven cleaner (which contains lye, a known wood fiber eater). Or maybe a too aggressive dish washer cycle.
My WAG is a caustic cleaner was used followed by a water blasting. No Walnut should have a open grain pattern like this. If it did, they might as well have used oak for stocks.
After a blasting like that, they had no choice but to sand away the splinters.
I pulled stocks from laying in piles outside for years that showed sun fading and mildew but still had tight grain.
Remember FRANKEN STOCK ??

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...DSC04751-1.jpg
08-03-2020, 07:07 PM
Singer B

Learning stuff is great!
08-03-2020, 11:53 PM
DaveHH

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Originally Posted by Singer B

Thank you, that makes sense. In your opinion, would a Rock Ola receiver in a non Rock Ola stock still be a good investment since there are so few of them?

Out here on the Left Coast, I've seen exactly one Rock-ola. I would definitely buy one if the price was OK. Out here it would be $1000+ maybe even $1300.
08-03-2020, 11:59 PM
browningautorifle

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Originally Posted by painter777

Remember FRANKEN STOCK ??

I do remember that one...