I’m doing some photo stuff today, will return to this rifle at a later time with more info.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../France2-1.jpg
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I’m doing some photo stuff today, will return to this rifle at a later time with more info.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../France2-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../france1-1.jpg
They do ~ They do:
I once owned an old 03 Hoffman (.256 Newton) that had (I hope I remember correctly) "Harry Snyder" inlaid engraving in gold on the floor plate.
Don W ~~ Don Wooldrridge
Another S.R. Griffin Rifle, both made before Griffin & Howe.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../04/SRG5-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../04/SRG7-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../04/SRG8-1.jpg
I note the change in perspective for the two stocks. Howe and Linden believed the perfect perspective was reached when the stock tip was 1/2 the distance between the front receiver bridge and the tip of the barrel. Griffith evidently had other ideas, even though all the G&H rifles I have seen after Howe's brief stay had the 50% perspective.
Also, Re Howe/Linden, the bottom of the stock forearm should form a straight line between the bottom front tip of the barrel and the front tip of the floorplate. It is only a part of the perspectives that give the G&H and Alvin Linden rifles their innate beauty. Note that deviation from this perspective gives the second rifle a carbine look, although the barrel is probably 24" (don't know and doesn't really matter).
These are magnificent rifles, and I make these comments because I have never seen a Seymour Griffith rifle before (pre-G&H), and I find the change in perspective to be notable.
Most beautiful women share a common perspective in their faces (height to width), although I cannot remember the number. Men considered handsome by women have a slightly different perspective. The most efficient digesters have a perspective of 5 to 1. There is less randomness in how we view nature that one suspects.
The workmanship on these rifles is extraordinary. I wonder how much time, or how many hours, was invested in each rifle. Meticulous detail and intricate stock and metal work by various men and yet all maintain the same standard of excellence. Amazing.
Great pictures, Michael. Thanks for the look.
Jim
:thdown:While it is solely a matter of taste and to each his own,I find the last rifle's stock to be patently unbalanced and reminiscent of a.22 rifle's stock profile. The length that the forearm has been brought out to, is neither a sporter nor a mannlicher and as a result just does not look in proportion, to the rest of the stock. While it is a beautiful rifle and would be a great addition to any collection, how many of us would have our custom stockmaker duplicate this style on a current project? Just my two cents worth. Seymour obviously did not carry this style over as a part of the classic G&H profile...Thankfully. Jerry
If you apply the two principles I mentioned above, the rifle looks as below, and more pleasing to the eye.:super: Pardon my poor ability to alter pictures.:slap:
I couldn't get it just right, but as Old Scratch said, "anyone who appreciates the fine lines of a woman can make a stock".:thup:
Jim
Griffin worked from about 1910-1923 at one job and made rifles in his spare time. He had a lot of spare time and there are many of his rifles around. I have a picture of him working in his shop and there are three or four rifles with the long forearms in the picture. However most of his early stocks have a normal length forend. The Griffin with the long forearm and shot barrel is about the most comfortable rifle I have ever had the pleasure of throwing to my shoulder.
It could have been made for me it fits so well.
The engraving on both rifles is the work of R.J. Kornbrath.
A couple rifles that belong to friends of mine, both Griffin stocked and Pope barrels.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9/04/005-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9/04/gp1-1.jpg
Made shortly after WWI, this Griffin has what one would call modern dimensions. Sorry it's a Mauser, I lost my way.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9/04/G22-1.jpg
The post office thought it would be more fun for me if they delivered it in "Kit" form.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...9/04/srg-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../srgrep1-1.jpg
That would make me cry.
Jim
I gasped so loudly when I saw that picture, my wife rushed over to my computer thinking I had gotten an email with terrible news, I'm sure.
Just saw this thread...oh boy, the rifles in this thread are out of this world. Thanks, Michael, for posting them.
thats some awesome history, if only it had not been sported
looks like it might be a l.s.n.
Oh my gosh I think your right, what should I do?? :help:Quote:
Originally Posted by goo
Send it to me! I will take loving care of it.
Jim
Maybe I'll try to reconvert it back to military, heck it might then be worth a lot of money. I think the engraving is too deep to file off the floorplate, anyone what to trade it for a regular one? I've been shooting it, should I now warn people on the firing line that they might be killed or should I stop shooting it? So many questions, so few answers.
"Humor is a rubber sword-it allows you to make a point without drawing blood".
Touche!
Jim
Beautiful rifles! Thanks for showing them!