Were the M-10s ever made in .303 or are those examples of subsequently modified rifles?
Based on the sources I have consulted (mostly Wikipedia) it seems they were only made in the Ross rifle calibre.
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Were the M-10s ever made in .303 or are those examples of subsequently modified rifles?
Based on the sources I have consulted (mostly Wikipedia) it seems they were only made in the Ross rifle calibre.
The .303 British and .303 Ross are the same cartridge. The only difference is that .303 Ross chambers and ammunition were kept to target grade standards until WWI.
I'm thinking you probably mean was the M10 .280 sporting rifle ever made in .303 in the same general configuration and with a similar level of finish?
The answer is basically yes, that rifle was called the E10 or 1910-E depending on the sources. (Photos attached)
The base model sporter in .303 on the 1910 action was the R10 or 1910-R.
The same stratification was offered in the sporters previously built on the MkII or 1905 action.
The 1910-E was also built in .35 Whelen, but in very limited numbers.
Surpmil, I've never read anything about a Ross rifle factory chambered in .35 Whelen. I'm only aware of the .280 Ross, .303 Brit/Ross, .354 Ross/Eley (experimental), .35 Winchester, and the .370 Express/Kynoch .375 2.75" Nitro Express. I wasn't aware of this chambering being offered in any factory rifle until Remington legitimized it in the '80s. A great cartridge, even if it is a clone of the 9.3x62 Mauser.
You're quite right! It was .35 Winchester - not sure where that came from now! :confused::D
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The question was caused by seeing an M-10 in .303 (or what was called an M-10 anyway) which I thought would not have existed, but I suppose if it is an M-10 then someone converting it to a calibre with more readily available ammunition is not unlikely either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surpmil
Without seeing photos it would be hard to say more, but the most likely scenario is a 1910-E. Not a common rifle, even among Rosses.
I agree, photographs would be very helpful. I believe we are talking apples and oranges. You may find the attached excerpt interesting from "doublegunshop"https://www.doublegunshop.com/forums...45361&page=all
Well we certainly thought it was an M-10, it's not as pretty as the one in the pictures but the labeling was the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by NORTHOF60
I shall try to obtain pictures, I'm not 100% sure on the magazine anymore - I assumed all M-10s were sporters (and M-10s) but apparently the military ones were also labeled M-10? Interesting.
I'm not an expert on the Ross, but my understanding is as follows:
The basic Ross rifle action manufactured after 1910 was the M-1910. This action was revised and issued around 1913/14 as the M-10. This coincided with the revised bolt stop. The factory sporter categories for the M-1910/M-10 were R (basic - no checkering, with Winchester barrel mounted step adjustable sight, and single stack metal magazine), E (better stock wood with checkering, barrel mounted flip sight, and single stack metal magazine), and M (top of the line, barrel mounted sight, blind magazine). I've seen the sporter category stamped at the knox form of the rifles. The .280 Ross sporter was not stamped because it was always a M. M-1910/M-10 factory sporters always had the sight mounted on the barrel, with the exception of the M which could be equipped with an auxiliary Porter pop-up peep sight on the action "bridge". Factory sporters never had the the military receiver bridge sight.
Thank you for all the information everyone!
We still aren't quite sure what this gun is - I notice on the stock (which I presume was a post-war addition) it is marked F wonder if that has any meaning?
I've attached a couple pics, please let me know if there are other things we should be looking at to positively ID it.
There are no front sights which I think will make it very difficult to shoot accurately down the road, this thing also needs a magazine though so that is not exactly it's most pressing concern :p
A military rifle, sight on charger bridge, no bolt rivet, with enlarged chamber (E on barrel knox form), sold into the civilian market (Nitro Proved) (Not English Made). It appears to have the original stock, minus hand guard. If the barrel hasn't been shortened, you can try to return it to proper military configuration.
More abused than used by the look of it. Post some full views perhaps?