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New Mystery Test for all,
Pulled these pictures from a post where the owner was looking for the meanings.
Anyone feeling lucky ?
I do believe I figured out the 1st and 2nd carvings, pictured below.
"Still Sweet 20"
Hold Uper Deo
Initials: D. YA ???
Carved Eagle on Shield or Dove with Tail Feathers Spread ?
Charlie, Rick Borecky has quite a few stocks (both M1 rifle & carbine) with WW2 stock carvings. Some stocks were even inletted for a small photo. This was not done in the states Attachment 113188Attachment 113189Attachment 113190Attachment 113191
He doesn't like me....... I'm "Rude".
The stock above took me 2 days to remember where the Still Sweet 20 came from.
The Hold Uper Dio took me a hour and a half today.
Damn near used up my 12 year + trade school education to do so though ;)
Deldriver and Wayne made fun of me forgetting the NATO stamp in the other stocks slingwell. This will test those Hay Seeds !!
To Add: W5USMC - Wayne has already thrown in the towel, crying No Mas, No Mas !!
He went down quicker than Duran vs Sugar Ray Leonard.
Hi Charlie "Rude One", are those mystery carvings all on the same carbine?
Hay Seeds! :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Yes Charlie, I told you I gave up but I really am doing a little searching. In my search for "still sweet 20" it led me to a lesbian porn site, don't think that's the answer. :surrender:
The ones Rick has probably were done while guys sat in the Hurtgen or Ardennes sort of thing. Charlie's carbine may have been later like RVN...sounds more like that sort of mind.
YESQuote:
Originally Posted by frankderrico
Oh, I meant Hay Seed :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by deldriver
Uuuugghhh, Well I've got cable, so no worries here.Quote:
Originally Posted by W5USMC
Did you Book mark it ? :rofl:
I know it was a recent purchase by the guy. I see it has a Type II band, Checkered safety, Flip sight, low wood, but haven't seen anything close but the same pics you guys see in the album. Wait !! I didn't link the album, I'll post the link below, but basically just pics of carvings.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Following are his words:
"Inland M1 Carbine with a serial number of 870196 which I believe was manufactured in 1943. It had a wartime rebarrel. I traded an M1 Garand for it but the coolest part was that it had some stock graffiti. The story goes from the owner before the guy I bought it from that that graffiti was done during the war."
Pictures Link:
Dropbox - M1 Carbine Graffiti - Simplify your life
'Carved Eagle on Shield or Dove with Tail Feathers Spread ?'
Reminds me of the 'Ruptured Duck' from 1945. This was a pin or 'medal' that returning soldiers could wear on their uniform until they could get civvies again. It came to be seen by the G.I.s still to be discharged as a very desirable item. The carving is not exactly like it but it has a similar 'feel'. Maybe the 'artist' only had a glimpse of one or only a description.
The Eagle has the profile of the German Eagle, but they are normally on the Swastika symbol.
It does a bit, but the Ruptured Duck has the wings spread out different, I'm looking at 1 now in my Fathers shadow box. The Ruptured Duck looks more like the AFLAC Duck.Quote:
Originally Posted by INLAND44
Agree Frank D,Quote:
Originally Posted by frankderrico
I gave thought to the Army Good Conduct medals but the wing spread is different, more arched.
I believe it was a poor attempt at what ever he was trying to copy. Maybe never finished ?
The initials on the grip, we'll never figure out, names are just too hard.
But I'm 98+% positive I have the Sweet/20 and Hold carvings figured out.
Way too early for a Hint :madsmile:
Still searching the lesbian porn site, nothing yet but I did see some bird tattoos, will have to examine closer. :D
I'll say a few words for you at Church Sunday..... :ugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by W5USMC
Meaning of:
"Still Sweet 20" and "Hold Uper Deo"
You boys give up ? :surrender:
We usually just wait out the mysteries...Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
The owner didn't notice this carving with the other carvings until seeing it outside a few days later.
Hold Uper Deo
In the Bible use of the word Hold, means to Trust and Embrace
Latin/Greek/Early Roman-Limited area: Uper, means Over and/or Above
Latin: Deo, means A God.
The saying would mean: Trust God Above
Makes you wonder if the guy was preparing for a heated battle.
Interested in the Still Sweet 20 ?
Charlie-P777
Yes, still waiting Charlie...Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Jim,Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Just wondering if there was any real interest.
I recalled a bit of my summer bible classes, other than our dancing with snakes, I came up Southern Baptist.
"Still Sweet 20"
Back in 20 BC the Roman poet Horace wrote in Latin: “Carpe diem,” often described as “enjoy things while you’re young and able to enjoy them because they won’t last forever.” But the translation means “Seize the day.”
In Shakespeare's musical/play Twelfth Night in act II, Scene 3 Feste, the wise fool sings a song to entertain Sir Toby and Sir Andrew.
> = Meaning:
What is love? ’Tis not hereafter.
> Love shouldn’t be held off for the future: Love should be enjoyed right now.
Present mirth hath present laughter.
> Joy should come now. Don’t hold it off. Joy now will produce happiness now.
What’s to come is still unsure.
> Still in Shakespeare means “always.” So the line means “What’s to come is always unsure.”
In delay there lies no plenty,
> Plenty in this context means “reward.” So the line means “There’s no reward for delaying things.”
Then come kiss me, sweet and twenty.
> Here, sweet and twenty is a metaphor for a sweet young woman. It’s as if Shakespeare is saying: “Then come kiss me, you sweet young woman.”
Act Ends.
I doubt that your wondering but the performance by Feste was applauded by Sir Toby and Sir Andrew.
So to sum it up the GI that carved that stock was clearly familiar with Shakespeare's Twelfth Night. Read the Play lines and meanings over a few times. Think about a GI and a pause in Battle or before / after Battle. Where the future is unclear with no reward in sight.
I get the impression the GI that carved this was a romantic that had some education, religion, love of music, literature, theatre and the arts. Who might have recited the poem while looking across the waters to his loved one back home.
I can't ID the initials, but think he might have possibly been Italian or Greek.
The initials appear (but unsure) to be D. Ya then a or h, then i i L or U L
D. YAAhiiL
D. YAhUL
If either of the above it would show Israeli / Jewish decent.
About all I got.
Carpe Diem y'all :wave:
Nope, not sure I'm buying your meaning of the "still sweet 20", I like the one I posted on the CC forum better which comes from a poem about WWI called The Short Road to Heaven "The lads of sweet-and-twenty, and maybe not so much;"
But I do appreciate your translation of Shakespeare's play, that info will come in really handy in the future!:thdown:
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Originally Posted by W5USMC
Not nearly as far a reach as The Da Vinci Code, I guess not everyone's cup of tea.
I thought it was a interesting example of a GI's stock carvings possibly done in theatre.
Charlie, no doubt the carvings are interesting, as I mentioned somewhere before it has lots of character.
"it led me to a lesbian porn site, don't think that's the answer" It is the answer, just too a different question!Quote:
Originally Posted by W5USMC
Actually, I think it's BeO, not DeO.
The loop on the supposed D is discontinuous, like a 3.
Not that I have a clue what either of them could mean...
Looks to me the eagle is sitting on maybe a state like Iowa or Ohio. Maybe the soldier came from one of those States. I may just be seeing things like one can in the clouds ha ha. I also think it looks more like Beo
I couldn't find BEO in Latin or Greek, or reference to in the Bible.
But I could find the reference in the phrase Hold Uper Deo.
The name may be D. YAbul or YAbut.
The owner added pictures to the link.
YAbul or YAbut look to be common surname in the SE Pacific, especially in the Philippines .
Of course anyone's guess is welcome. Just thought the carvings might be of some interest.
:thup: