ISO: M1 Carbine SN 4262636

Hello, as the title states I’m looking for a very specific Carbine. It was my grandfathers, who passed it to his son upon death, who sold it to make a quick buck back in the mid 90’s (I was born in 90). From what I can tell, it should be a National Postal Meter?

This is just coming from my mother giving me a shoebox of my grandfathers things, in which was the original receipt and military shipping form 1149 from when he bought the rifle in 1967. I would be willing to pay slightly above retail to bring it home if the owner was open to selling it. I originally posted this on Reddit, and am waiting for my CMP account to get approved so I can post it there as well. Any shares, tips, or help is appreciated!

Good evening all, I spoke with my mother today who confirmed that her brother sold the rifle in Cary, North Carolina in the mid 90’s. I’d appreciate any leads!

Welcome Ryan,
Glad to see you made it over.
A 4262636 would be a NPM, May be a U stamp, which would be a sub contract made receiver for NPM made by US&S - Union Switch and Signal but I'm not positive and no lists near by at the moment.
You might want to try the Carbine Collectors Club forum. They might be able to look it up and see if anyone ever turned in a Data Sheet on it (as I described on the other forum).
Keep searching, the current owner may try a search of their serial number one day and come across you posting about looking for it. Like I just did and pulled up many results showing where you've posted inquiries about it. I don't do Facebook but I've heard of groups that are in to Milsurps. Try anything you can think of. World can be smaller than you think at times. :thup:

Carbine Collectors Forum Link: The Carbine Collector's Club

Here's a current topic there I posted about Mis-stamps on NPM's near your range:
Mis Stamped NPM Receiver ? - The Carbine Collector's Club

Good Luck,
Charlie-Painter777

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Welcome Ryan,
Glad to see you made it over.
A 4262636 would be a NPM, May be a U stamp, which would be a sub contract made receiver for NPM made by US&S - Union Switch and Signal but I'm not positive and no lists near by at the moment.
You might want to try the Carbine Collectors Club forum. They might be able to look it up and see if anyone ever turned in a Data Sheet on it (as I described on the other forum).
Keep searching, the current owner may try a search of their serial number one day and come across you posting about looking for it. Like I just did and pulled up many results showing where you've posted inquiries about it. I don't do Facebook but I've heard of groups that are in to Milsurps. Try anything you can think of. World can be smaller than you think at times. :thup:

Carbine Collectors Forum Link: The Carbine Collector's Club

Here's a current topic there I posted about Mis-stamps on NPM's near your range:
Mis Stamped NPM Receiver ? - The Carbine Collector's Club

Good Luck,
Charlie-Painter777

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I will explore that route next! Thanks again for your help, Charlie!

This carbine will probably have an IBM Corp barrel as it was very late. I have a 425xxxxx NPM.

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I have a 425xxxxx NPM

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That is a really late serial. :)

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I have a 425xxxxx

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How many "X" did you mean to put in there Dave?

I can't count.... He got the idea.
It was built around Oct of 44...6 months after NPM stopped production and CC took over the business.

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I can't count.... He got the idea.
It was built around Oct of 44...6 months after NPM stopped production and CC took over the business.

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Sarcasm? :D

I wish I was in Tennessee right now, Calif is doomed. My late Father in law Dr. Joseph Baldwin was born and raised in Paris, Tenn. Distant relative of Bland Ballard. Lived to be 99 and 8 months, still sharp as a tack.
Probably genetic and the food. My Grandmother was from Tazewell City Virginia, Grandfather on that side from Guthrie County W.V. Plenty of greens, beans and cornbread, incinerated thin pork chops on Sunday. Grandfather was 120lbs ringing wet, one of the meanest men that ever lived. All of them lived well into their 90s. He joined the Army in Missouri for the Philippine Insurrection. Basic training was having to walk from there to Washington State. More guys died on the 6 week boat ride to the PI than in the war.

Make that "Wringing wet".
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Plenty of greens, beans and cornbread, incinerated thin pork chops

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Dave, Some family history-
My Father was from north of Nashville, Springfield. Mother was from Pikeville, Kentucky and grew up in the coal camps. Her best friend until my Mothers death, lived in the next hollow over- now known as Crystal Gayle, younger sister of Loretta Lynn. My Grandpaw was teamed with their Father- Melvin Webb and worked the mines. They did some home brewing to make ends meet. My Father wasn't a musician but became a Roadie, truck driver and gopher for Bill Monroe and the Bluegrass Boys, before and for a short time after his service in WWII. When much younger I met many old Grand Ole Opry stars as my Father had back stage passes at the ole Ryman Auditorium. Remember some, forgot many but remember Minnie Pearl, Little Jimmy Dickens, Flatts and Scruggs, Roy Acuff and others. Remember the TV show Hee Haw ? Their was a ole timer on there named StringBean, he was a long time family friend, along with his neighbor Granpa Jones. String, Bill and his brother Charlie and my Father grew up together, my Father being the youngest...... They all called Dad Spud. I remember when we went down for Strings Funeral. He and his Wife had been murdered in their home in Goodlettsville in the early 70's IIRC.
I have a picture of me sitting in Bill Monroe's lap holding his well worn Mandolin.
I'd drive my Wife and kids nuts on long vacations playing my Blue Grass Music !

Some other time I'll tell you how my Grandpa and Melvin protected their 'Area' and how infiltrators were taken care of.


Don't forget-
The biscuits and gravy.......
Fatback and Black-Eyed Peas....
Grits 'n' Black Strap Molasses.......
Smoked Crawdads.........
Catfish and Apricot Gumbo Soup.....
Homemade Pickled Pawpaws......
Ham Hocks and Turnip Greens.....
Grits an' Possum Gravy.....
Sow Belly 'n' Hand Slung Chitlins.....
Southern-Fried Muskrat....
Goat Tripe.....
Gizzards Smothered in Gristle......
And of course a little 'nerve tonic' didn't hurt...... :cheers:


https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...image_be-1.jpg

Aunt Crystal Gayle
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...12_v9_ba-1.jpg

RIP
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3e7bae96-1.jpg

Blue Moon of Kentucky
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...e_tuning-1.jpg

I remember that story of Stringbean hiding money somewhere in the house that the killer didn't get. Didn't a subsequent owner find it in the chimney or something?

My Grandfather GC from W.V. was straight out of Hatfields and McCoys. He was smart and got started in the life insurance business when it first came out. He built his clientele on the black folks around Bluefield, Uniontown PA and Huntington. He would personally make the rounds and collect the few cents that his customers owed. After a few years he was prosperous enough to own a brick house in Bluefield where my father was born. By the 20s he was a well to do young man with a wife and three sons. Then he decided to invest in real estate in Tampa Florida. He owned several large furnished apartment houses and drove a Pierce Arrow Limousine. When the '29 crash hit he lost everything but the car. We have a photo of them driving that Limo out from Florida to Long Beach. They are standing alongside the car all wearing really nice expensive coats and hats. As my other grandmother used to say, "They didn't have a pot to pi$$ in or a window to throw it out of." On my mother's side were the Hacketts from Ark and the Bruces from Vermont. War heroes, navy heroes (Lt. Frank Bruce, capt of the minesweeper Bobolink) and my great grandfather TP Hackett being a Deputy US Marshall in Indian Territory. His father was Jeremiah Hackett a Major in Federal Cavalry. A Yankee.

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I remember that story of Stringbean

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I don't know if he had hidden any. He didn't trust banks after living thru the collapse. But he wasn't a wealthy man and lived in a older cabin off Gallatin rd, up on a ridge IIRC, though he did like a fancy car... I believe a Cadillac, I remember my Dad changing the oil on it for him. Again IIRC the house was already trashed when they came home and were jumped by 2 brothers... or 2 cousins, Not sure but believe they were related to each other. String would hit fly balls out to my brother and I. He played ball when he was younger. The kinda guy who would have given a stranger money if they needed it. His wife begged for her life. Being young it was crushing to us. F'ing Trash.

To Add: The Grand Ole Opry doesn't pay performers much. I'd have to look it up, but doubt I'll find what they paid back then. I do know because my brother has worked on many Opry/country singers homes that even today it's a token fee. The stars use it as a platform to promote their albums.
I'll add if I find the amount.

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From this 2012 article:

Dan told us that each of the performers and artists are paid $140 per Opry appearance- union scale. Everyone gets paid the same amount, from Dolly Parton and Garth Brooks to Bill Anderson and The Gatlins.

Backstage Pass to The Grand Ole Opry....

If one looks a bit you can find pics of their house still, not much in size. Easy to find and the story is posted. Two brothers...and they didn't do much time for it.

Thx Jim,
I haven't had the time to look it up, but I knew they were related somehow.
He lived a meager lifestyle but they were happy. I recall him firing up the chainsaw in the house to fill the wood stove.... Need I say more?
There were rumors around that they had money hidden. Ole Grandpa Jones (His neighbor) told my Father those rumors had been around well before they lost their lives.
For memory sake I'll look more up when time allows. I remember the little cabin sitting on the ridgetop, because if you hit, tossed or missed the ball you had a long way down and back up to fetch it.
My Fathers house was in Goodlettsville on a hill top. When he'd leave for more than a quick trip he'd put his valuables in the trunk of the car because the thugs could see him come and go. We lost track of how many times he was broken in to.
Tough area to say the least.....

So did someone find the OP's NPM Carbine at the Grand Ole Opry?? :D

Not yet Wayne,
But I know the OP and figured if we got sidetracked it would keep his search bumped up to the top.
You buying that ?

:dancingbanana:

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If you say it Charlie, then I believe it!! :beerchug:

Great stories there.......

Back to the original question regarding a specific Carbine. Tell the original poster to check with The Civilian Marksmanship site to see if anyone can help him there.
They are a fountain of information.

CMP Forums

AZB

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AZB

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I looked and shared the Serial number Sticky that is updated on page 43 with the OP. Also said to check it every now and then for additions to the list.
Post #424: M1/M2 Carbine serial Number thread - Page 43 - CMP Forums

OP is looking for 4262 636
CMP List Shows: 4262 497, 4262 908, 4262 924

It's very possibly a 60's NRA member purchase. I gave him the main Carbine forums links and mentioned how to contact The Club to see if a Data sheet was ever turned in on it. If there was and the submitter (If they left contact info) could have the OP's contact info passed on to them, but obviously it would be up to the current owner if they wanted to reach out. But the OP is aware of all this. He is also posting his search on the Social media groups. Fingers crossed for him.

Yep, Charlie got me all set! I appreciate you all and your time. Cool family history Charlie, I was just listening to Bill Monroe yesterday on my drive from South Carolina to Virginia!

Nothing like some Bill Monroe or Levon Helm on a road trip. Though my Wife would argue that !