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Someone posted this in a Mewe group I run. Never seen it before myself. Anyone have any input?
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Never seen,
Never heard of,
Someones 'good idea'
A badly looked after, ridden hard and put away wet, covered with rattle-can and a screw and bits from the 'come in handy one day jar' that lives under the work-bench.
Could it be one of the RTI rifles cleaned up ?
(Never say never with an LE)
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Originally Posted by capt14k
While, I agree with the 'never say never' mantra, that receiver looks like a 5 year old has scrawled that with a nail.......and I would venture that those markings are 99.5% likely to be a bubba job.
That was my thinking as well. Feel bad for the guy. His first Enfield and he bought it at auction. I can just imagine what he paid
Looking at the wood to metal fit, wonder what the inside looks like?
There may be a quite decent No4 Mk2 under the Tremclad brush-job and hashed up wood. The scratchings may be Bubba's attempt to redo what he had painted over, or perhaps a POF rifle pretending to be a Fazackerly?
Looking at little more closely I see a "5" under the paint, so very likely a Fazackerly.
A "37" is visible just behind the 5/5 scratching too.
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Originally Posted by Surpmil
My guess, it would possibly be a No4 Mk1/3
Savage rifle FTR'd by Fazakerley in 195x (1952-53)
Begs the question where did he get the number from?
Agree with post #6. It's not a Savage as it has an angled receiver side wall ledge, yet it also has the milled flat typical of BSA, Savage, & Faz production. I'm almost certain it is indeed a Faz rifle, & the serial is quite possibly correct. The Mk3/5 may be fantasy, or what the owner thought he could see under the thick brushed on paint when he scratched it back in. The scratches look very superficial & are clearly done by hand, & would certainly polish out, if they did not all but disappear when the paint comes off. I don't necessarily buy that it's a wreck (it might be but it might not), although it needs some TLC.
I don't think it is a 5 but should read as "S". Compare it with the 5 written below. S could for example mean "Star". So No. 4 Mk.3*
Note that the forestock is a Mk1 that has been modified to Mk2 by fitting a transverse screw and nut (?) to hang the trigger. Hardly an approved conversion.
I've seen quite a few like that over the years.......often on No4 Mk1's over here that have been 'targetised'.
I was assuming a Mk.2 on the basis of that tapered concavity at the front of the bevel/shoulder below the markings: a feature I always took to be unique to Mk.2's, but perhaps I'm mistaken about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield
As for the trigger and crossbolt/screw, it looks to me like a very crude conversion of a standard forend to Mk.2 spec by removing the tie-plate, hacking out a slot for the trigger lug, and slapping the crossbolt/screw in to pull the sides in as per the standard Mk.2 forend
Looks like the work was done with a rasp too!
As for the serial number etc. I suspect it is the same and the rest of the scratchings are the best that Bubba/Gumby could remember or make out through his brush strokes.
Might as well get the paint stripper on it and find out, at least the phosphating underneath may be good enough to reuse.
I think it's probably a Faz Mk2 as well. S'funny how one notices the same little machining idiosyncrasies that vary from factory to factory!
I have seen that modification of the Mk1 forend so as to take the Mk2's transverse bolt on a number of occasions now. I even once bought a 4T that had had it done. Interestingly I think it was done to some Mk1 & 1* rifles in the belief that the Mk2 cross bolt arrangement was somehow superior to the tie plate of the Mk1 from the stocking up point of view. I suspect some gunsmiths felt it would be better, although my view has always been if it ain't broke don't fix it!
The receiver contour is clearly Fazakerley, not Savage - so the possibilities are Fazakerley or Pakistan Ord Factory (POF) completion of a Faz forging or body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield
On the wrist you can see Brit 1950s inspectors stamps so I would say it is a 1950s Faz No4Mk2