Donor NPM Flip Sight

I Sold One of my NPM M1 Carbine's to a Good Friend who is Ret. Military and what he Offered and Paid for it after seeing all the Parts so I wouldn't list it and since it had a terrible Fake Flip Sight on it which I told him it was Not a Original one. I thought I would purchase a New Fake Donor NPM Flip Sight which I told him I would do before he gave payment. I bought it from that Seller who lists them as USGI Military I think y'all know who they are. I also thought I would share a couple of Magnified Pictures of it. https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...f6f89d53-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...27550371-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...4ee20d3c-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...bf88935f-1.jpg

Frank,
Did I hear you were selling Humped Parts :dancingbanana:

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Originally Posted by painter777

Frank,
Did I hear you were selling Humped Parts :dancingbanana:

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Yeah, but I gave him fair Warning...haha! I know I have a Original one but during the move I misplaced it. I'm sure it will show up and I'll send it to him as soon as it does.

That one is very obviously humped. But I guess its better than no sight at all.

is a real one on epay now--that is rare! is a TN

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Originally Posted by wtmr

is a real one on epay now--that is rare! is a TN

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MR,
Do you mean item # 324493500067 ??
With the up side down S ??

As in this one...

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../sl1600-12.jpg

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../sl1600-13.jpg

Like my original, the TN letters are very thin. They almost look like they were cut with a thin scribe. The repops almost always are thick by comparison.

Well, that flip sight just got a free promotional boost, not that it needed it. Anywho, back to the topic; assuming this "guy" you know is actually going to install said fake sight on his carbine, thus inviting the possibility of damaging the dovetail, which can happen on removal or installation, my question would be why take the risk for a fake only to turn right around and take the same risk yet again when the alleged real one arrives? Now, I am assuming he will install it, but if not why even bother with a fake?

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Originally Posted by deldriver

Well, that flip sight just got a free promotional boost, not that it needed it.

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Del,
I thought MR was playing with us / me. It wouldn't be the 1st time he's messed with me. And sometimes his messages are hard to understand and I've got to re-contact him to verify gray areas. His own Wife will tell you he can't explain Crap.

I don't own a NPM that has a Flip on it.
I added the pictures so guys like JimB and others could call it real or repro.
I'd looked this one over because I don't see many TN sights. After seeing it what seemed odd to me was what looked to be a replaced leaf spring. The pin appeared to be roughly re-staked and the upside down S.

I don't recall the order I looked the sellers Flip sights over...

Inland Flip also has a upside down S and shows heavy bash marks on both sides of the base but with no finish loss in those areas. It appeared to me as being re-finished after the Bashing and then some finish wear on the bottom edges and some finish loss on the tall leaf from rotating. So likely used after being re-finished ? Maybe a ill fitting repro ?

Wra Flip has pin staking that seemed off to me compared to my examples. Sq S looked ok, so gave thought that maybe it was a Flip used by another maker with their type staking.

With at times up to 50 Flip sights up for auction at any given time and 95+% of those being Repro but offered up as Original. Odds are against you and bad purchases will happen. Some of those real ones will slip by also. It's cold out there.... :surrender:

As far as a Free promotional boost, Here's a item that needs some additional attention because at least 2 Bidders don't know better:

Blued WW2 Original USGI Winchester W Type 2 .30 M1 Carbine Barrel Band EXC.-MINT

eBay item number:363299230291

Currently @ $86.50

"We have one original WW2 Type 2 USGI M1 .30 Carbine Front Barrel Band that was made by Winchester and is in Exc. to MINT Condition. Vintage Winchester Barrel Bands in this condition are quite RARE."

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../sl1600-14.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../sl1600-15.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../sl1600-16.jpg

I have an NPM carbine with original flip sight, and has a square font S, and no TN. Here are the best pics I have.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../vnYbNgy-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../76EfU5M-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../r9LvyOH-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../UWekix8-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by deldriver

Well, that flip sight just got a free promotional boost, not that it needed it. Any itwho, back to the topic; assuming this "guy" you know is actually going to install said fake sight on his carbine, thus inviting the possibility of damaging the dovetail, which can happen on removal or installation, my question would be why take the risk for a fake only to turn right around and take the same risk yet again when the alleged real one arrives? Now, I am assuming he will install it, but if not why even bot'ser with a fake?

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del, The person from the P & R Club I had bought it from told me that the T1 Sight was Not Original and it was Not a tight fit either so the night before I applied oil and also used some grease with a shaved q-tip and got to use my 2nd Sight installer and removal tool and it slid right off and when I installed the this one Sight it went on without any problems. but like you mentioned though I was nervous as heck but i just took my time doing it and didn't do any damaged to it. That is one area if I feel it's TOO tight I would take it to the The Club and have them fix it,

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Originally Posted by painter777

Del,
I thought MR was playing with us / me. It wouldn't be the 1st time he's messed with me. And sometimes his messages are hard to understand and I've got to re-contact him to verify gray areas. His own Wife will tell you he can't explain Crap

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Charlie, That Barrel Band looks exactly like the one on my Iver Johnson M1 Double A Series in the S/N. If you look closely you can see that someone tried to mark it. If you need close up pics I will take more and Post them.

I also wanted to know if you or Anyone knows a person that can repair it. This one needs more work than I know. There's No Cracks on it but I think it can be repaired. I just came across this Commerative Stocks and No It will NOT go on my Early Iver because these came way after my S/N but thinking if someone is looking for one I also have a Another Blued Ventilated Hand Guard which are harder to find but you can find Matte Black one's. If anyone knows where to find a New Blued Ones Please let me know. I was also thinking of adding it to the Sell of my Iver Johnson M1 Carbine.

Northridge was the place that I picked up that T1 Flipper.

Frank,
I don't know the value of that stock or if the repair cost would be worth it, but here's FrankD's profile link you could PM or Email him and ask:
https://www.milsurps.com/member.php?u=6309

Just a quick thought...
I wonder if you could use a sand able Epoxy and fill the damage.
Then buy some of the thin Veneer in a Maple (?) or similar grain and glue and wrap it ??
I know those veneers can be rolled around round parts like hand rail posts or arm chair spindles.
Some come with a adhesive backing, some without. But I have seen repairs done with them on newly constructed home trim and on furniture.

I've used a Epoxy called Quickwood on ceiling beams and cathedral plank ceilings when things like fire detectors or electrical / speaker wires were moved. But these were up where no one would contact them so I don't know how durable. Plus after leveling they had to be wood grained with a wood grain comb, then sanded, grain simulated with Gel stains and clear coated.

You could Google it, I'm sure there are Videos on both using the patching veneers and Epoxies like Quickwood.

'Quickwood'
Boy that brings back memories :madsmile:

Good Luck,

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Originally Posted by painter777

Blued WW2 Original USGI Winchester W Type 2 .30 M1 Carbine Barrel Band EXC.-MINT

eBay item number:363299230291

Currently @ $86.50

"We have one original WW2 Type 2 USGI M1 .30 Carbine Front Barrel Band that was made by Winchester and is in Exc. to MINT Condition. Vintage Winchester Barrel Bands in this condition are quite RARE."

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That 'W' Band sold for $177.50

:surrender: :confused: :dunno:

Charlie, I think I can go that route... Using a Filler then let it harden, then shape it. I will just look on YouTube and watch someone do it and lookup some products like you mentioned and give it shot. Thank You

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Originally Posted by wtmr

is a real one on epay now--that is rare! is a TN

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WELL,
WTMR's big plug didn't amount to a whole lot.
That TN sight sold for $113.50.............................. :dunno:
About the price of the Repro

I was watching that one, too. Thought it might not go above the $99 it was at earlier this afternoon. Even though it had good markings, it just looked like it had been tampered with too much. The same seller has an Inland leaf (only) starting at $30 or offer.

Here's older pics of the sight on a friend's NPM,. It has a "messed-up" S but otherwise no markings. Could've been stamped by the same guy that did that one with the S upside down!

To me, this is the way a real one ought to look. :cheers: - Bob

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Originally Posted by USGI

I was watching that one, too. Thought it might not go above the $99 it was at earlier this afternoon. Even though it had good markings, it just looked like it had been tampered with too much. The same seller has an Inland leaf (only) starting at $30 or offer.

Here's older pics of the sight on a friend's NPM,. It has a "messed-up" S but otherwise no markings. Could've been stamped by the same guy that did that one with the S upside down!

To me, this is the way a real one ought to look. :cheers: - Bob

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Bob, For the same reason you mentioned or misunderstood I had thought it was tampered TOO much in Places you don't see that much at all, but maybe I was wrong. I got a Great Offer for mine and I thought it was enough at least to add something to it instead of nothing since he's a really good friend and I had already told him it was something and better than nothing, but he had seen the 2 Original ones I had awhile back before selling one of them on eBay for a really great Price. I have one more Original T1 NPM Flip Sight in one of my boxes that I have somewhere, but I have seem to have misplaced it while I was moving. I'm sure it will pop up and I will definitely send it to him.

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Originally Posted by USGI

To me, this is the way a real one ought to look. :cheers: - Bob

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Haven't seen one with the S on top of the pin before. It's neat.

When it comes to fake flip sights I'd MUCH sooner have nothing rather than something. Also, I'm not going to point fingers, but someone after all of these years still just doesn't get it and it amazes me to see the attempts made to guide a horse to water.