Can someone tell by this pic. if this is a ww2 sling ? don't look right too me. Thanks.
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Can someone tell by this pic. if this is a ww2 sling ? don't look right too me. Thanks.
I'd call it a later "WWII type" but not an original. - Bob
Does it come with the carbine? Nice rifle!
Reproduction sling and oiler combo.
lboos,
Didn't you pick up a GI C Tip a while back from that place I told you about? Compare them, unless you don't have access to this carbine.
Seems some of these have a mark on the inside of the Keeper / Buckle / Slide ? Maybe a circled single digit or small symbol ??
I bought about 10 - 12 of this type for about $25 at a gun show. Have some left tucked away that I give to Commercial carbine owners at our range. Or rig up for the local kids BB guns. They make pretty good dog leashes for smaller dogs.
Hi Painter, sorry it took me so long to get back. I do have the two C tip ww2 slings you helped me get, but I was not sure of the D tip sling on the gun in the pic. it just look's too new to be a ww2 sling, I got this pic. from here and of the three slings, the D tip on the far right look's a lot like the one on the gun in the pic. and I thought it might be a fake ww2 sling, or it just might my bad vision. any thoughts on the sling on the carbine in the pic ? ...the barrel is marked 2-44 ?, would that sling be correct for the gun ? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Sling on the carbine is what Bruce M said, A Reproduction.
Never in any era was it used by GI's.
Real D tips slings came in to use Post WWII.
IIRC, the picture you added of the 3 slings, the one in the middle with the TRW snap, I believe was very late Vietnam... but I'd need to double check on TRW hardware.
Speaking of slings, I picked up a somewhat worn original C-tip at OGCA yesterday. For a whooping $25! I don't think he realized just how much he could have gotten for that old sling! Got a nice Utica M4 bayonet with a modified M8 scabbard for $85 too.
Here's pics of a sling that sold on eBay for $100 in 2012. A real sling with a fake marking??? What time period? :dunno: - Bob
Attachment 115869Attachment 115870Attachment 115871
IMO,Quote:
Originally Posted by USGI
A Fake Sling with a Fake Stamp...... Unique color though.
Looks like someone used their Fake 'Boyt 43' Leather stamp dipped in ink.
Charlie, if you have the 8th edition of Riesch's book, what does it show regarding WWII Marine Corp "D-Tip" slings? Thanks! - Bob
I forgot where I got these two pic. but the caption said it was taken during WW-2 on some island in the Pacific.
By their helmet cover's I would guess Jarheads ?
I'm still confused about the D tip slings being used in WW-2 and used by the Marines, if true it was the first piece of equip. the Marines got that was not 1'st worn out by the Army, I've always heard the C tip slings was the 1st ones used on the M1 carbine and that "maybe" some D tip's came near the end......Stilled confused. :confused:
I definitely agree! Still looks great on the rifle thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by USGI
8th Riesch Say's:
Type III
The Type III Sling was identical to the Type II Sling (Used same Stamped Buckle) except it had a Metal end cap (D tip) that was Swaged on, see figure 5-2.
These slings originated in 1943 with Tan / Khaki color webbing and blackened metal.
The slings were marked BOYT 1943, S-F CO 1943 or JQMD 1944.
The webbing is typical of Marine Corps color and texture, some were marked USMC.
White slings were made for Military Police or Parade use.
Note: The sling marked USMC was only 37 inches long and the loop was 2 inches long at the Lift The Dot end (Loop Closed).
This sling will fit the Carbine, but was originally designed and made for the Reising Submachine Gun.
Figure / picture 5-2 shows a Type III on top and a Type IV Post War sling.
Caption Under Figure 5-2 Reads:
Sling, Type III. Note the metal caps at the Tips (has arrows pointing to D tips on Type III and Type IV post War)
(In the picture you can see the Snap and Post are closer to each other when compared to Type I (Round buckle) Type II and Type IV (Stamped flat buckles) hardware)
Type IV Sling
This Post War Olive Drab Sling was similar to the Type III sling.
The end Caps (D Tips) and buckles were parkerized steel or blackened brass and the webbing was the same as used on WWII army slings.
This sling with minor variations was used well into the 1970s.
Many were dated in the 1950s and 1960s, refer back to Figure 5-2, bottom.
(Figure 5-2 shows a Type III over a Type IV with both having D tips and a Flat Stamped buckle)
Type V Sling
The Type V sling was brown or olive drab nylon with a narrower buckle 1.20" x 0.75" at each end instead of a lift the dot fastener.
The buckles were blackened or parkerized.
The end caps were blackened brass or steel and resemble those of the Type III sling.
See figure 5-2A.
They were made in the mid-1970s and were unmarked.
The narrow buckle would not be correct for WWII Slings.
**** There's more about the Type V slings and some info about MRT and date markings, also more about the D tips on these with some having markings, some unmarked ****
Everything in BOLD I added from viewing the pictures.
I hope your Happy, I wasn't going to unwrap this book !! :bash:
:bitch:
Riesch has it just like above with the 1943 instead of BOYT -43-Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
If the Slings Web Weave looks correct,
Color like stated above: Tan / Khaki,
Length is 37 inches,
The loop is 2 inches long at the Lift The Dot end (Loop Closed).
And has Swaged on D tips.....
You might have a WWII Era, Made for the US Marine Corps Reising Submachine Gun Sling ?
If it fits on a Carbine I could see it being used.
But I don't know anymore than what I just read.
Question now is..... Is the Authors information correct ? IDK :dunno:
I've seen and own US Navy packs that are WWII with D tip ends.
I own WWII Era M1 Carbine cleaning rods / kit with smaller versions of a D tip strap
Charlie, Thanks for taking the time to type all that out. I see only very minor changes from my 6th edition. The thing I had missed in the 6th, was that those D tips were only used with the tan colored webbing and not the OD.Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Also, the 6th doesn't list the "JQMD 1944" marking for the Marine slings. That probably explains why we're now seeing repro's with that marking. My understanding of what I'm reading there, is that it doesn't have to be the shorter 37" sling marked USMC to be legit. The longer ones were used by the Marines, but just don't have the USMC marking.
I had one of the last brand new Riesch 7th editions (sealed in cellophane) that I bought at a show in May 2018 for $20. Later they were asking several hundred for them on-line, even for the earlier ones. I sold it (unopened) in August of 2019 for $25 to a guy that I thought really needed it.
I may order an 8th edition from Ruth's (and your) buddy on eBay! Thanks again for all the research that you do for us. - Bob
Right on Bob, it truly is amazing all the time, effort and help that Charlie puts into this forum and to its members. He is truly not thanked enough. It is always top notch, outstanding information that you can trust without batting an eye. Thanks from me too charlie, for everything you do! And thank you too Bob! You always have outstanding information as well that can be trusted just as much as Charlie's.This forum would be nothing if it weren't for people like you guys!
If the D Tip thing is true, not sure if it would be the first time the Marines got a new item, I believe the combo 1911/carbine mag pouches were Marine specific. Not sure Marines were always the last ones to get new equipment, I deployed with SEABEES in 2000, they were still using mess kits! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by lboos
Page 140 of Riesch's 8th, fig. 5-2 has a picture of a sling marked F-S CO, isn't that Fake Sling Company?
Painter777,
PM sent.
Hey Lou,Quote:
Originally Posted by lboos
Have you found a Inland Type II Hand Guard (the shallow sighting groove - 2 rivet) marked OI or HI yet ?
Just curious as I remember you were looking.
If I were you I'd list a WTB add for one here on Milsurps. You might want to add what color- lighter, medium or dark finish your looking for.
I'll try to help you more when I get time. We've got our 5 year old Grandson visiting. It's hard to keep up with him !!
If you need help figuring out how to list a WTB maybe USGI Bob can help :bow:
until I get more time.
Good Luck,
Have not found one yet painter, I did put in a WTB sec, maybe one will show up.
Glad he figured out how to post the WTB, I've never tried it.Quote:
Originally Posted by painter777
Charlie, have your grandkids when you're younger. :thup: It's been 12-1/2 years since I've had one that was only 5 years old!
Had any trouble remembering the combinations to your gun safes yet? ;) - Bob
The 6th edition has the same thing, but it's fig. 5-8 and on page 143. :) - BobQuote:
Originally Posted by W5USMC