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ULTRA RARE BSA Shirley No.4 MKI T WW2 Sniper Rifle .303 Museum Quality! - Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com : 911312511
an example of straight up fraud No4T on GB
pretty much everything on this gun is faked, apparently with the intention of deceiving the un educated.
I mean at least it's a No4! My goodness I hope no one buys that thing. Grounds for divorce that is.
Google image search for genuine 4(t) markings, check!
Hammer, check!
Harbor Freight letter and number stamp set, check!
The “work” reminds me of a No5 that had an unusual scope mounted on it that someone also went to town stamping it up that was on GB about a year ago.
Fortunately the faker's dreams far outstripped his capabilities......
They should at least have a repro No.32 scope!
It's really sad. This listing keeps coming back online like a boomerang. I tried to give the seller benefit of the doubt and message him and politely tell him that this is complete fantasy, but there was no response...so I guess he knows "what's up"...sad.
Surprised at Gunbroker allowing it to be forecast as the real deal. Rose Brothers would be rolling in their graves!!
I guess he'll eventually find a desperate buyer that'll pay, wouldn't want to be that guy. Then this guy will disappear and never be seen again.
Wow, that is awful.
Literally every bit is incorrect or totally wrong, cobbled together by an absolute muppet.
Could you chaps list the main things that are obviously wrong with this, please?
Oh, he'll be back if he sells it with more fakes of one breed or another, possibly under a different name and account.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Probably already has them made up, just waiting.
Just like a bad rash or unwelcome relatives, it has shown up on GB again :/
If you look you'll find it on enough sites right now that it'll probably sell. Then it'll come here for evaluation by it's new owner...so stand by...
Caveat emptor.
F10 the indicators that make up a true 4T the guys who know don't advertise it on the webb as there a subtleties in the stampings position and serif that tell a real T from a faker T.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
And if they made it common knowledge then it just arms the fakers with that much more info so they can make their faker look even more legit and swindle people and knock the crap out of a real T's worth.
So you're better off PM'ing one of the members learning how to identify a real one but keeping that info to yourself as the fakers are getting better at their game now days, so don't take their silence as being a rebuff on your question.
Its a matter of preserving that knowledge to weed out the faker T's being palmed off onto some unsuspecting sod and their hard earned $'s.
I know my 4T is legit with its scope as their serial No.'s are listed in the book Peter Laidler wrote with Ian Skennerton on the No 4T and the Holland & Holland connection so I don't need anymore proof than that.
Flying10UK,
Cinders is correct in that, feeding the fire of fake weapons is not what we are about, however, experience is the key to handling any Military produced weapon, regardless of country of origin.
It is only by handling these weapons, like the 4T that you get to identify, the correct serifs and numbering in areas not commonly known to the casual copier or faker.
There is an abundance of information on this site already as you know which if read carefully will give you what you seek, as it is carefully laid out to assist buyers so that they do not get caught, but more importantly gives you the confidence that you have the real deal in your hands and can quickly identify anything that doesn't look or feel right to you, after that knowledge has been gained!!
Good Luck.