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the picture of the short bayo is a type 100 japanese paratrooper bayonet,
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the picture of the longer bayo is also claimed to be a japanese paratrooper bayonet.
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Both from the same seller and I bought the long one which he said was a type 100 bayo. Have I been scammed?
I have never heard of a type 100 bayonet, I am pretty sure the Japanese simply used the Type 30 bayonets on everything. The only real variations was in the late 30s when they started to simplify. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist but those don't look like Japanese style of bayonets to me (the point seems to always be in line with the rear edge of the bayonet), likely something someone modified.
Neither of those photographed are the Type 100 bayonet. A real one is posted below.
Also, I realize collectors have called this a Type 100 bayonet forever, but original documents found in Japan a number of years ago correctly identify these as a Test type 1, which were to be used as a side or fighting knife by Rangers and Paratroops as documented and published in the excellent reference book "Bayonets of Japan" by Ray LaBar.
Oldsmithy also shows the type one or 100 bayonet on his site... Those ain't it.
http://www.old-smithy.info/bayonets/...aratrooper.jpg
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Hi, thanks for the reply.
There were a number of types of bayonets other than the type 30 used by the Japanese military between the turn of the century (19th) and the end of WWII. The type 100 is a purpose made bayonet made for the Arisaka Type 2 paratrooper rifle. They are VERY rare. The best example Ive seen recenly is currently posted in Ebay for $2699! A type 2 rifle goes for about the same. There was a recent GB post of a type 2 rifle with a type 100 bayo asking just under $5000! I got my type 2 Arisaka rifle years ago for $600. Im not ready to plunk down thousands for the bayo!
I thought perhaps there was more than one type of Japanese paratrooper bayo and the longer one was valid, but the seller either mis-identified it or mis-represented it. I cancelled the order and got my payment back, so no harm done, but I felt the fool!
However, Sarco offers and excellent reproduction type 100 bayonet and I ordered one so that I will no longer be tempted to pay such prices for what amounts to a long unsharpened knife!
yep, got my money back and ordered a Sarco replica for $75! A WIN-WIN! (but I felt the fool for falling for a fake)
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thanks, I need to get that book! Ive got about a dozen japanese bayonets and really dont know one from another. I got them to mount on my many types of Japanese rifles. BTW, did the Japanese issue bayos for trhe type 99 and type 97 sniper rifles? Ive got a bayo on both, but I want my collection to be authentic. (with the exception of the Sarco replica/repor Test type 1 bayo I just ordered!)
You're not a fool but it's best to do your homework or get advice first if the item is expensive and you're not sure, before parting with your cash.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1903Collector
Anything for sale that that has an "elite force" prefix in the description such as Airborne, Paratrooper, SAS, Marines, or any other elite force is likely have a significant premium on the price sometimes because the seller has tried to connect the item for sale to an elite force.
If you thought you are the first here to have paid for a lesson, you'd be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
I think the long one might be a Hanyang bayonet and they are rare themselves, $200-$300 if it can be confirmed that is what it is.
Thanks! lessons learned I guess. cheers!
Im still looking for an enfield 1903 for my 1914 No3 mk1. Had an Ishapore bayo on it until I learned what it was and that it was from 1944. Now I need to find a WWII no3 mk1* to mount it on. I needed it to complete my WWII battle rifle collection anyway. Need a scabbard for the Ishapore as well. Any suggestions?
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still, I should have known better!
You mean the 1903 or 1907 bayonet... There are so many. 1907 pattern bayonet | Royal ArmouriesQuote:
Originally Posted by 1903Collector
British P1903 Bayonet with Leather Scabbard
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It's probably worth repeating again that, "if one goes to a horse fair with a handful of cash and shout out "I want a horse!", one will most likely leave the horse fair with a horse (and no money) but there is a good chance that it won't be a very good horse." This isn't something that I have made up but it was told to me years ago. To put it into plain English, if one keeps one's eye's open and is patient things have a habit of turning up, over time, when you least expect it.
OK, I had one too and it was cherry...had all of them at once. When I sold the rifle, they went with and I sure didn't get vast amounts of cash for them. They're around...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1903Collector
Your user name. Are you a pilot?
No, but I have an interest in aeroplanes.Quote:
Originally Posted by 1903Collector
me too, Id have become third genertion U.S. Airporce pilot if I hadnt had my hed up my *** in the mid seventies...dropped out of OCS and university (no money) and never entered eaned a commission. I was a natural pilot too! The time right after Viet Nam just wasnt a good time to be in uniform and I coudnt see past the next girl was trying to sleep with!