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Hi, just wondering if anyone knows how best to go about importing a Section 7.1 pistol from Canada into the UK? I am assuming that I will need to use an agent so any suggestions on who to use would be great. Would they be an agent in Canada or the UK. If Canada then no doubt would be easier on the Canadian vendor and I can leave it with the agent in Canada to sort the paperwork. Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thanks
I would assume you would require a licenced dealer in Canada and a receiving Section 5 dealer in the UK.
I'm assuming it it will then require UK proof, unless it already has valid CIP proofing.
Section 7.1 means it can't be shot/fired so presume it wouldn't require proof?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
Section 7.3 is for shooting.
That's a good point, yet it's a licenced Firearm, so has to be in proof when sold.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeeRam
Or is Section 7.1 exempt from that requirement?
If it can't be fired then would they proof that it can't be fired?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
No idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
Given it can't ever be sold to be fired in the UK, I would assume it wouldn't need proofing, especially given the criteria laid down to be accepted as Section 7.1......but, that's an assumption, and we all know assumption is the mother of all f*** ups :D
There is also a 7.1 pistol in the US, slightly more money but maybe slightly easier to export to the UK. Will make some enquiries tomorrow. There is a US agent who can deal with the export. VAT is only 5% given the age so will need confirmation with the paperwork confirming it’s over 100 years old.
Basically Jim, our crazy out of date laws....
A firearm has to be in proof, if it's licenced and being sold by a dealer.
You can do a personal import, if you do the documentation yourself without the need to proof on a Section 1 firearm, but I don't know the requirements on Section 7.
I'm assuming it can't be personally imported as it's not Sec1....
I 'assume' it has to go to a Sec5 dealer in the UK, then to proof, if it hasn't got valid UK or CIP proof.
Crazy I know.... I might be wrong, perhaps Sec7.1 is except from proof???
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Let us know how you get on, following with interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by bravo2zero
Yes, I'm pretty sure it will still have to be imported by a UK Section 5 RFD, as it's a Section 7, but whether it does have to then go for proof being a Sect. 7.1 rather than a 7.3, is another question.....but I assume a Section 5 RFD will know whether it does or doesn't.
I'm thinking he needs to contact the witches or black magic that handle these "Proofs" to clarify... The USA exporter sounds like the easy part.
The Section 5 RFD that will have to handle the import will know whether it will need to go for proof or not, prior to passing onto the OP.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
OP, have you contacted a UK Section 5 RFD yet?
Hi yes have a Section 5 dealer who can receive this to add onto my FAC. I have seen the various comments on proof and given this is a historic pistol I am hoping that if it does need to be proofed then they can issue a certificate. I do not want modern proof marks on a rare pistol.
They should be able to issue a certificate instead, or at least a very discreet stamp...
I'll hazard a guess, are you fishing for a 1911 chambered in.455?
Yes that’s what I’m after, can’t seem to find one in the UK
I can read tea leaves too.....
Lovely guns, especially with the beautiful Colt commercial blue...
Jealous!
It would have to be proved, either way (unless its been UK proved in the past, and not obviously out of proof). As s.7[1] guns 'could' be fired, and they can migrate between the two categories.
They don't issue 'certificate of proof' anymore, that was only ever a concession.
That's a shame, so they have to be obviously stamped, even if it's a rare antique...
It was bad enough on my Lithgow L1A1, they went absolutely bloody Bananas with the stamp (London proof house) hit 'everything' with it!
You should see the black powder proof markings they smear all over 1890s antiques!
Both Section & (1) or (3) will have to be proofed.
Its normally a condition on the import license as well, and a question when applying for the license. The responsibility sits with the importer.
Birmingham will do minimal marks & put a proof mark under the Grips and issue a Certificate at extra cost.
I have just had several Lugers, High Power & Colt 1911 proofed at London.
They hid most of the markings inside the pistols so there was nothing really to see externally. The customer complained his pistol wasn't proofed and went away happy when we showed them where they were.
EU Imports of Section 5 are getting harder as some EU countries want a End Users Certificate endorsed by the UK Import Licensing which they don't do. Its a bit of a stalemate at the moment.
If you need an importer PM I will put you in contact with the one I use
Interesting Simon, so they actually have .455 proof rounds on the shelf still...
I've always found Birmingham to be easier to deal with personally.
London is much easier for me only live about 30 minutes or so from there and I know the back roads as well.
.455 revolvers has been ok in the past, I will test them on Tuesday next week when I drop in two Colt 1911s in .455 :lol: