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First two clips are obviously Winchester, early one has the notches cut-out and a different web pattern from the later clip. When did Winchester change the design ? (guess 1942 ?)
The otherAttachment 123709Attachment 123710Attachment 123711 three clips also are early with the notches cut-out and the early web patterns but correct identification of manufacture of the third clip with blank face is often debatable
I have 2 x B R W 3, 2 x B R W 1 who makes these ones RCS they all have notches like yours pictured are they early types. TIA
**Note that most WW2 produced clips were used on post war production ammo as many were excess at the end of WWII or were reused by depots. IS coded clips are a good example as they were only produced in WW2 but in such quantity that the Ordnance Dept. used them through the 1950s until supply was exhausted.
AEC 3 - Aggressive Engineering Corp (Commercial) Anaheim, CA
AGE 1 AGE 2 - Aggressive Engineering Corp (Millitary contract late 1980's, last USGI Clip run) Anaheim, CA (Post War)
CMP 3 - Aggressive Engineering Corp (New commercial run for CMP)
AMP 1 - All Metal Products Wyandotte, MI (WW2)
BLM - Barry L Miller Eng Inc Irvine, CA (WW2)
B-W (with or without additional number 1-7) - Borg Warner (WW2) Spring Division,Bellwood, IL
BR-W - Borg Warner Spring Division,Bellwood, IL (Post War) (**Markings also have a single digit 1 through 7 which denoted what press number clips were made on)
C (C* also)- Lerio Patent Cup Co. Mobile, AL (WW2) fB fC fD fE fF - Fedders Mfg Buffalo, NY (WW2)
IS - International Silver Meriden, CT (WW2)(**Markings also have a single digit 1 through 4 which denoted what press number clips were made on)
NW - Northwest Metal Seattle, WA (WW2)
S - Stanley Works (or SW) New Britain, CT (WW2)
Blank - Springfield Armory Springfield, MA (Thought to be early SA) SA (Large Letters) - Springfield Armory, Springfield, MA (WW2)
SA (Small Letters) - Springfield Armory, Springfield, MA. Use started 1943 through 50's. Variations include; SA, SA dash over, SA dash over and under, SA dash under.
W3 W4 W5 W6 - R Wallace & Sons Wallingford, CT (WW2)
WEP WEP1 WEP2 WEP3 WEP4 WEP5- Wade Electric Products Sturgis, MI
WRA - Winchester Repeating Arms New Haven, CT (WW2)
O - WRA Educational - Winchester Repeating Arms New Haven, CT (notches are cutout not stamped in) (WW2)
WRA - WRA Eductional - Winchester Repeating Arms New Haven, CT (notches are cutout not stamped in) (WW2)
Danly (stamped on side of clip) - Danly Machine Co (Chicago, Il)
NON US Clips:
DAQ - Dominion Arsenals Quebec (Canada)
TF&S - Thomas French & Co (Manchester, England)
MAS - Manfacture D"Armes St Etienne (St.Etienne, France) S.F. - Serini France
MFT - Metaalwaren Fabrik Tiburg (Tiburg Netherlands)
HA - Haerens Ammunitions Arsenal Copenhagen, Denmark 5mm hole. - Austrian
JMO (with 2 Digit Date) - Julius Maurer Oberstein, Germany L&H (with 2 Digit Date) - Italian
IMI - Israel Military Industries Ramat Hasharon, Israel
MBZ - Murik & Ball Zeist Netherlands
58 - Nationalist China
One sidenote here is China is producing clips in many different maker marks. I had occasion to find a box of "DAQ" clips which should have been made right here in Canada but they didn't hold or fit ammo correctly. Further investigation showed they had just been imported from Asia and didn't meet spec. No wonder they were new. Others are a grey finish and have little spring to them. Same thing there.
I did receive my early 0 marked clip from Scott Duff some years ago, Duff stated it was a Springfield clip ?
Problem with the early clips (except Winchester which are marked WRA) is there is a lack of documentation
RCS... I would say that your third clip (unmarked) in the photo of three clips is an early Springfield Armory clip. It has all of the early features, plus being unmarked. Until Winchester made clips and rifles, the early production at SA carried no manufacturer code as they were the only manufacturer. Early clips were not Parkerized, they were blackened by the oil quench in heat treat. Clips were recovered at ranges and reused, many were Parkerized prior to re-use.
Tom, I would agree with you on the un-marked clip being Springfield.
Also a photo of the early proposed Danly clip (credit Tom-in-NJ) very seldom seen photo
my last photo is the French Mle 1917 RSC semi auto rifle en bloc holding 8mm Lebel cartridges,
these French clips are valued now between $150 to $200 eaAttachment 123713Attachment 123714Attachment 123715
Never saw a Canadian clip marked DA. DAQ was used by Dominion Arsenals Canada.
You are correct sir. I'm used to shortening off their title. DAQ is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by green
Here's an early one, 10 rounds of 30-06... what is it? (RSC is barred from answering LOL)
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Would that be a Pederson?Quote:
Originally Posted by bob seijas
No, not Pederson, but good guess, it was a toggle-action rifle. He did invent the en bloc, sued SA and won.
So, the White toggle-action .30-06 prototype rifle... Not very common.Quote:
Originally Posted by bob seijas
White Toggle-Locked .30-06 Prototype Rifle - YouTube
BINGO!
Not early but rare, the silver tuna:
https://www.milsurps.com/vbpgimage.p...3&d=1371044259
This is an ordinary SA-marked Springfield M1 Garand clip. However, in about 1963, the Army competition team took a small batch of these over to the Columbia Bicycle Company shop in New York City to be polished and chromed for use in national competition. They function incredibly smoothy and are easy to spot in the grass.
Bob
I see that HA is listed as foreign made. I thought a company in the US also made HA enblocs, maybe with periods? Here are a few cut out clips for comparison, wra’s, small o, unmarked, and with just a C. Attachment 123830
H.A. clips are US manufacture, error in listing posted above
Not my error, that list came from a site dedicated to the sale of M1 parts and clips and that is their list of manufacturers.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCS
Ed, not your error, mistakes sometimes continue on without a correction on data and parts for the M1 rifle
Clips marked "DAQ" were made on contract for the US post WW II. Dominion Arsenals Quebec sub contracted the manufacture out to Valcartier Industries Inc.
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"H.A" marked clips were contracted to Horle Arms Co. in the mid 1960s, manufacture was sub contracted to a shop in Deep River CT. Used mostly for foreign aid. They are one of the few manufacturer codes still on the clip drawing. (F 6528288).
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo.../a1hCFar-1.jpg
The code shown on the drawing for Aggressive Eng. Corp. (AEC)is their new code, ( post 1989 ), all clips manufactured by Aggressive for military contracts were marked AGE.
I can easily believe that as the only CDN property M1 rifles we had were during our change over from .303 to 7.62 in about 1956/1958 and in CFE (Germany). We had them on the airfields for local defense and had a shortage of ammo for the new rifles. The M1 was a stop gap and we of course could have purchased the clipped ammo from US supply. We made .30 cal ammo but it would have been simpler to just purchase ammo with the rifles. The rifles are circulating among collectors with an electro pencil acceptance mark. Most are like new.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom in N.J.
The ones I was referring to are not surplus but fakes as they didn't hold ammo correctly.
OK, so now what do you have to support your conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCS
"firing a rifle grenade will sometimes crack the rear of your receiver ". "all Winchester front sights have wide ears". " the rear anneal was done to
receivers for firing rifle grenades". "all gas port rifles manufactured during 1940 have follower arms with a single bevel" "punch marks indicate
Winchester manufacture"