GI Slings back in stock

Hey GIBOB,

If you read this,
I see that company has 'GI Carbine Slings' back in stock for $99.95 each, limit of 2.
How many times have you seen them out of stock, then back in stock?
Maybe a dozen times over the last few years ?

I've been wondering where they get them........
Look up Mil Spec MIL-W-530 1" cotton
I have a few bookmarks showing Welt Anti-Squeak they used between old Chevy and Ford body panels, I'll have to find later. Wait here's one:
AntiSqueak Welt for 1948-52 Ford Trucks | Dennis Carpenter Ford Restorations

Also seen surplus and new production rolls of cotton weave.
I've seen some rolls of it in the last few months with tags on them 60's dated.
I also recall seeing sealed bags of replacement C tips and Snaps from WWII.

Here's 2 examples of many of the fabric rolls out there that meet that Mil Spec:
Buy 1 Inch Berry Compliant Camo 483 Olive Green Heavy Cotton Webbing Closeout Online

Cotton Webbing Material | MIL SPEC Cotton Webbing | Cotton Webbing 1" Style MIL-W-530 Type III Class I B

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...olivegre-1.jpg

:dunno:

Wow, minimum order 2500 yds on the second link...

I found some this morning that match the WWII era snaps, top marking and even the detail on the backs. And available in a Antiqued blackened brass, so they appear period correct.
I don't want to give the links, so these 2 pictures are just examples of what comes in a Snap kit and the look of the Antiqued blackened brass. The matching ones I found come in both small lots and are available in bulk.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...2/sl1600-1.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...iquebras-1.jpg

Now some C Tip ends, the bigger centers- top picture, the narrow centers- bottom picture.
I also found these by a big supplier that look much more authentic:

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Here is some cotton weave the seller says is sold by the yard and that it is;
"Cold war relic..." . But I have found the matching weave for WWII era slings.
This sellers is close but not a match and his shipping might be a problem because it's flown in from Ukraine.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...l1600png-1.jpg

The Flat Slider / Keeper / Buckle can be found from a couple of Leather and Strap hardware suppliers / Crafts type suppliers. There are also some always listed on Auction as NOS.
I also found Round Keepers but just in Stainless and Nickel plated so far. Many different sizes available.

I guess this is just a FWIW post, but with C tips selling for $100+ I can see how you could run out of stock. It's gotta take a while when your storing the web in a musty old tent, add a little stretching, measure before you stake in the fasteners and adding a smudge mark from contact with a oiler / swivel could reap some funds for the skilled forger. Hell even the brass loop on the top for the Finial post can be tarnished to look aged. 1 Q tip dab of a simple potion will do it.

I wonder if they've come up with a 'Musty Webbing Scent' yet ? :nono:

Anybody that pays $99.95 for a reproduction M-1 carbine sling needs his head examined.

Find a need and fill it.
One of my other hobbies is watch repair. One skill you learn in that game is that anything that is put together can be taken apart. You've unlocked a puzzle and all I can say is WOW! Same sh## different day. That is just amazing. Look at Leviton electrical switches: the same switch in a new box, it is not just the same, it is exactly the same.

I have two "C" tip slings. The first one bought 10 years ago, was a repo and sold as a repo. Cost me $10. The second came from an "estate" sale (pickup at the range full of stuff) and is a genuine WW2 C tip sling, still only $15 two years ago. The need to have correct has made the fake market blossom and now reproductions are sold as original. It sucks that our need to have the best and most historical has led to fakers and humps getting our hard earned dollars. My gut feel is that unless you know the seller, the chance of a original part is pretty low. I have tried to sell a M1 Garand round firing pin without success. Do I have it priced too high? Probably but it is original and not very easy to fake, at least by me. Anything worth anything is worth faking and unfortunately, it is not going to get better. The amount of real 80 year old stuff is shrinking every day. It is cool to have the real thing, but in practice, you have to sell to make it work.

Dave

My last purchased sling was for the Inland and I bought it from Jim Flavin for about $80. Good enough source?

I'm still using that blued tip sling on my Winchester. I'm still not convinced that it is a fake. The carbine was completely original and the oiler was a SW on the lid which points to a very early package of slings and oilers. Carbine 3/44, sling and oiler ?

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Originally Posted by painter777

Hey GIBOB,

If you read this,
I see that company has 'GI Carbine Slings' back in stock for $99.95 each, limit of 2.
How many times have you seen them out of stock, then back in stock?
Maybe a dozen times over the last few years ?

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Sorry I'm a bit late with this, Charlie - haven't had much time for my hobbies lately. I ordered my first "C" Tip from them in 2011 for $44.95 and received a phone call from an employee (you know him) asking what condition I wanted. Pictures (now gone) were posted here and I think JimF, Harlan, you, and others approved of it. I've bought others since for $59.95 and $69.95 and they vary a bit from that first one - mainly because they look a little bit too new. One of the last ones was wrapped in a heavy foil and I believe came out of storage somewhere - it appears brand new and differs a bit in length from some of the others. I've bought stocks from that company too, and the only one that's a bit suspect is that OI Type 3 that you "OK'd" for me in 2019 - I really think it is OK, though. I don't check their site very often but last time I did, I saw the slings were still "out of stock" and the stocks were getting very expensive, even for the rough ones. I made a mistake and bought one of their repro (India) slings once for $7.95 and it was so bad that I sold it at a gun-show about 4 years later for a dollar!

Sure wish so many of our pictures hadn't been lost. I took a look awhile ago at our "sticky" threads on "Marked Carbine Slings" and it's just not the same without all of the pictures. Makes a guy wonder if the "humpers" were behind the loss, somehow?

I spent quite a bit of time a couple years ago looking at webbing and hardware and found about the same as you've linked to here. I did buy a roll of that Dennis Carpenter "anti-squeak" (for my Ford F-1) and it's a woven synthetic material rather than cotton webbing. Also around that same time, I spent time searching for comments about slings from "that company" and only found one "questionable" comment. I'm fairly sure it was on the CMP Forums and made by a member from Southern Oregon that I believe I've dealt with at Portland gun shows before. At a later show I questioned him about the comment on the CMP Forum and he said it wasn't him. I tried to find that comment later (questioning the slings) but was unable to locate it.

Another thing that's kind of interesting happened the last time I placed an order with that company. I called it in and while the order was being processed, spent quite a bit of time talking with a guy that turned out to be the owner. He was originally from an area in Eastern Europe which is very near Ukraine. He basically told me his life story and I was really impressed with him - a straight shooter, I think.

"GIBOB"

I've got 10 carbines at this time. All of them have slings. 5 are original C-tips. 3 are real GI D- tips, 2 cotton and one nylon. 2 are repops. The Ds are on rebuilt carbines as are the repops. The repops will be replaced whenever I can find originals to replace them.

After my first 5 carbines, when I purchased my 6th it didn't have a sling. Way back on the old gun and knife forum (RIP) then later on Culvers everyone was raging about the price of Slings getting near $35 each. I started studying them and buying real ones from Auction sites for around $40-$50. I just kept buying as I came across them. At the time it wasn't common knowledge to many that some C tips had come with blackened steel hardware because of the brass issue, so I was buying those when I could because guys thought they were fake. I just kept picking them off as I could. When Mr Ricca posted in sling posts the prices kept going up as guys learned what to look for. About that time add all those CMP carbines that were being sold increasing the selling prices of stocks, parts and slings going up pretty fast. Then one morning in Feb 2013 I found a new GB listing about 5 minutes old that had them for $50 each, just fill in the quantity you wanted. I put one in the basket and messaged the seller: MUSEUMPACIFIC. Guy called me right away and said if I bought the one in my basket he'd close the auction so he could go thru the boxes of slings. I purchased it and in minutes the listing was closed. I worked out a bulk purchase of about 300+. He told me they were a Museum in Texas and they were clearing out stuff they were filled to the brim with and needed the space. Mostly stuff that was donated to them from Gov and private.
I forgot his name but he hand picked out the ones with just C tips and no fraying. I got them cheaper than the listed GB price. He contacted me again to see if I'd be interested in anything else or slightly frayed C tips or any D tips, but I passed having more than I'd ever need. Wish I could remember his name but I think he thought I over paid. Maybe the reason the box of slings had a couple canvas carry cases, web pouches, misc straps and some helmet webbing gear thrown in. Wife thought I was nuts spending over 5 figures on a box of stinky slings. I can still see 'The Look' I got with her knowing I'd paid just over $12,000 on them. I set on them while the prices surged then started listing about a dozen of them at different times with a starting bid of ~$45.00 IIRC. They'd sell for + or - $100 each. Sometimes as high as ~$150, many I'd sell to the buyer off the auction site. In all I sold enough, about 100~105 of them to recover my initial costs and auction fees. Leaving me about 200 slings from that buy and the thrown in web gear. Since then I've traded and given some to guys getting started. Much like my bulk stock and handguard years ago, it worked out well. But like most things Carbine related I'm still a buyer.
National Museum of The Pacific War (A Great Web Site) :
Home | National Museum of the Pacific War

BTW Govplanet
Anyone ever price Danner Boots ?
I was telling the Wife if I was Registered that I would have bid on this lot of 384 pair of Danner Hot Weather boots. Last summer I paid nearly $250 for a pair of these same boots.
Someone won this lot for $8,595.00 Plus Fees. That works out (Not counting Fees and pick up) to be $22.38 a pair. Flip these to a few boot shops and make a little extra $$.

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...db55d478-1.jpg

Details:
Surplus (384) Pairs of Hot Weather Boots in North Las Vegas, Nevada, United States (GovPlanet Item #6026140)

Almost forgot, Don't Buy This For $299.00:

https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...3/sl1600-1.jpg

M1 CARBINE ORIGINAL USGI KHAKI BRASS WW2 SLING | eBay

777, those are nice boots... Seems like each lot are 1 size which might make them harder to sell unless you're a bigger player. Not bad sizes though. Many lots of them for sale, will have to see where they turn up.

This was called as a fake. The oiler with the sling is one of the SW early oilers with the logo on top. It is a well used scratched up example. What's your opinion? Who would be faking slings back then?
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Dave, I've seen several of those and have owned two. One was nearly worn out and the other brand new. I paid about $30 for them and later sold them for about the same amount. I still have a "JAPAN" marked C-tip that came on a nice 5.4M Inland that I believe may have been from the NRA program in the early 60's. I showed that sling to a pretty savvy "Carbine Guy" at one of our OAC shows, for his opinion. He says, "Likely from the late 50's and worth between $50 and $100. I had been thinking it may have been from the early 60's and possibly worth $40. So far, I've never heard the exact source of slings like yours, but very well could have been a US Gov't contractor. The complaint on those that I've heard the most is about the weave at the edges of the material. I recently obtained an Inland with a leather JAPAN sling on it. I hope to start a short thread on it soon, but need to get some tinkering done on my 70 year old Ford pickup. The one that "777' is always making fun of! - Bob

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B28,
I have a friend that used to be a Contractor but after the 2008 housing crash opened a boot shop. He now owns 3 or 4 outlets. His first store is 1/2 mile away from me. I sent him that same link and he told me he'd jump on them for $75~ a pair if I did the leg work. I bought my Danners and a pair of Red Wings from him last summer. Seems it was just over $500. Lotta $$ but they last forever. Just rotate them until they wear in. I usually buy before my old ones are shot. When I was still working a good pair of boots could save your life.

Day after 9-11
A job we did for the State. Basically 2 separate office buildings joined by this commons area.
The Purple colored donut shaped bridges joined the 2 sides. City would only allow me to bag and tag (Rent) 8 parking spots. I rented the parking lot from a church a few blocks away and bought 2 old school buses. Pull up and painters would pile out. Local Bar loved seeing those buses pull up! Roughly 80 painters and 20 laborers...... When they weren't in jail or would show up. Just about eye level with our capitol dome.
We had to hoist up Scaffold picks and safety guard rails to lay across those white steel trusses to spray the ceiling decks. OSHA all over our A$$es.
Just thought about dropping those drunks back at their cars after hearing them singing 'Wheels on the bus goes round and round' :lol: Ended up donating those buses after we power washed them out to that church, they smelled like a smoky bar lounge. 5 gallon bucket ash trays.
Excuse me heading down memory lane.... That's me up on the cat walk:

When I was a lineman with Pacific Telephone in 1964, you needed a specialized shoe. You could be up there several hours hanging on those tiny sharp spikes and you'd look like a crow with a bad pair of boots. When I switched to an installer you'd never be on the hooks any longer than about a half hour, so we all used a boot from Penny's or Sears, can't remember which. I believe they were made by Red Wing and sold for $20 a pair. Great boots. Then Sears stopped selling them and Red Wings were $50+. One thing was still the same, when you cut out and fell it hurt just as bad with either boot. Vietnam Jungle boots with a steel insert were good boots but they finally wore out after a tour and a couple of years working.

Issued those same Danner boots when I deployed to Afghanistan back in 09, still have them and still wear them often.
Saw that "Original" 1944 sling the other day, just shook my head. Sad thing is someone will probably buy it.

I can't believe anyone was faking slings in the 60's. When so many surplus and NIW US slings were still around. When you look at the adds by the early commercial carbine makers most offer new in wrap USGI slings for a $1+.
~250,000 NRA Carbines selling for $20.00 ?

I just can't see fakes being made that early........ Why when there were so many real ones left over would someone gear up to make them? For what? Maybe a .10 profit.

But with that said.... After WWII were there makers of Slings for Carbines overseas?
I have often wondered if Howa who started business as a Looming company. Post WWII they got the machinery they needed to do everything from make boot laces, repair small arms, even to repair tanks from Army Ordnance during our post WWII Occupation on up to the Korean war ever made any slings.
See- The Role of Howa: Support and Parts: Howa Machinery Ltd. M1 Carbine
Same thoughts about the similar situation with Erma-Werke, early 50's(?) were given a contract to service and make parts for the Carbines loaned/sold to them by the US.
We supplied machinery, Did they make Slings that would be similar to those the US supplied?

I've wondered since looking over a made for commercial sale Erma E M1 .22 Trainer offered on auction. I have it saved and the slings look very much like some we question when there seen on our beloved M1 Carbines.

Open to Full Screen View Erma Sling link:
https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Mi...ation/49652060

Auction pics Erma E M1 .22:
https://www.gunauction.com/buy/pictures.cfm?i=14765471

Attached pic from gunauction

From a older post on the CMP... 2018
Picture comparison done by Cplnorton.
Description reads:

"You can see how the loop on the Riesing is much bigger than a standard carbine."
Carbine sling on left, Riesing on the right.

2 Links, the 2nd thoughts were the D tip was late WWII Issue.

Help identifying this M1 Carbine sling? - CMP Forums
Help with identifying an interesting M1 Carbine sling. | Gunboards Forums

I've seen mixed use of different makers snaps and posts, not including repairs. Always figured Sling makers parts bins were full of different suppliers hardware... Rau, Klik It, Carr, Scovill etc. Brass and Steel.

** Question,
This 'Puffier' strap could have been measured correctly for hardware, had a C tip attached and made it to supply for M1 Carbines.
What if a Carbine sling maker received a shipment of this type strap, Would they have used it ?
Just seems like we see so many, what appear to be WWII era slings with puffy Loop.
Too many to call all Fake ?

Thoughts ?

A lot of Garand and M 14 slings were D tips. Some cotton some nylon. There was so much stuff floating around with Carbines. Spam cans of Ammunition @ 5 cents a round. NOS mags for $1. There was an old guy at the Vallejo gun shows that sold carbines, that's pretty much all he did. We considered them overpriced at $200. You could buy an almost new Commercial Colt 1911A1 for $200. We wouldn't even pick up an Army 45 for any price. Unless it was a US&S or Singer. You could buy an Essex framed 1911 for $150. I got a 4 screw S&W Combat Masterpiece .22 in trade for a $60 Webley.

AH! The good old days! The first carbine I wanted was a whole $110! But I couldn't afford it. I was only earning $1.75/hr.