Interesting photo shows a group of German soldiers and a captured Thompson sun machine gun. I would guess the photo is from either North Africa or Greece ?Attachment 127491
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Interesting photo shows a group of German soldiers and a captured Thompson sun machine gun. I would guess the photo is from either North Africa or Greece ?Attachment 127491
I'll bet it's an early one too, maybe a '21/'28... I'd love to examine that one. Friend of mine passed a few years ago and before he went he donated his M1 "T" to a local military museum. He had procured this M1 from a Canadian Engineer Officer that had taken it off a German that had taken it off an American. All had carved their initials in the butt. All this had happened at Arnhem. He kept it for sixty years... Now it's crowded into a small display case with no mention of the actual provenance.
That's a real shame Jim, sounds like something to make a fuss about mate.....Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Like much of history, being forgotten because people that were there are gone and the second hand story people are starting to go too...Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
Greece/Crete would seem the most likely looking at the writing of the shop sign in the background.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCS
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It won't be a '21, will be a '28 as it will have come from a captured/surrender British source.Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
He'll have to have captured a fair amount of .45acp ammo though to feed it :eek:
I would bet that it is a Savage 1928A1, the early Savage production rivaled the Colt 1921.
France did purchase some Colt 1921 smgs just before the war and not all had the cutts comp
while all 28A1 smg's had the cutt comp
Jim,
Its not in our weapons cabinet at The Parachute Regiment & Airborne Forces museum at Duxford which is vast and glazed on four sides, we even have Saddam Husseins gold AK47 seized from his Palace on the liberation, be nice to know where the rifle ended up, where is it mate as its relevant to U.S Forces on Op Market Garden?
The Germans did take away alot of weapons on Crete, can't see any airborne there in that phot by insignia!
You mean the M1 Thompson? It's in the Ashton Armory museum here in Victoria. A US weapon captured by Germans, captured by Canadians Engineers and brought back when the Canadian Engineers took the boats across to fetch the withdrawl. I could probably get you an address to correspond if you can't find one. I think it's a volunteer organization so could be hard to pin down. You might have to come get it...spend a few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gil Boyd
Not sure what PAM stands for, but I've only seen written that the very first contract purchase by the War Dept (prior to Lend-Lease of course) was direct with Auto-Ordnance and they were all Savage made M1928 guns...?Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
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I bet its not even an A1, all the early pre-lend lease guns bought commercially by UK were M1928 with no A or A1 suffix.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCS
The French order was never delivered, as France had surrendered before they were delivered and they were diverted to the UK from what I recall reading. Maybe some of these were Colt '21's...?
Purchase Order Approval Management, possibly?Quote:
Originally Posted by GeeRam
Just checked and you're right. Early four digit guns and 1928. No 1921s...in sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeeRam
Pam is short for Pamphlet, training. The book.
Most military Model 1921 in the US were converted to the US Navy Model 1928 which had the 4oz weight bolted to
the actuator to slow down the rate of fire plus being over stamped with the number 8 over the 1
Which is what I referred to as a '21/'28. You have to look hard at the marking to identify a "1" under the "8". I'd expect to see a horizontal forestock though...Quote:
Originally Posted by RCS
Some Colt guns were in the first orders, some of them used but reconditioned.
Short for "pamphlet" if I understood correctly; it's an Americanism we've adopted in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
There are early photos of Germans in France guarding the railroad cars holding Thompson smg's taken around 1940-41.
The Thompson's shown with the Germans have finned barrels but without the Cutts compensator, this would indicate to
me that these are Colt 1921 or over stamp 21/8 models. All the Savage and Auto Ord Model 1928A1 Thompsons had the
Cutts compensator while the Colt 1921 models could be with the Cutts compensator or without it. France did receive some early Colt 1921 TSMG's
I would tend to agree. Anyway, one would have to look closely to see the overstamp, it was done clean and professionally. The Cutts was originally an extra anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by RCS