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I picked up this German 20mm anti aircraft shell at a local brocante on Sunday.
It is unfired obviously and has been neutralised.
1937 manufacture, if I'm reading the stamps correctly.
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Looks like the long 20x138b mm cannon shell used by the Germans, also used by the Swiss, Italians, Polish and Finland. Germans had a wide variation of projectiles.
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Very nice piece...early.Quote:
Originally Posted by 30Three
The shell part looks fired because the drive band is grooved but presumably it didn't explode because it didn't hit anything hard enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by 30Three
Post #1 P181 code = Hugo Schneider A.-G., Leipsig, Germany is the manufacturer of that round.
German 20mm are belted where as the Hispano 20mm and Oerlikon 20mm did not have the belted cases.
Not sure on the threaded section of the projectile could have been for a base fused round the engraving on the driving band does indeed indicate firing.
But it must have been on its last legs when it hit as the nose piece is practically undamaged are you positive the projectile is FFE.
RCS Post #2 the P code has a few likely makers so this one is from Germany P = Polte, Werk Magdeburg, Magdeburg, Germany there are 7 others that have that P code in Europe.
The T could be Munitionsfabrik Thun, Thun, Switzerland as E8 did not come up for me but that's my best guess. Happy to learn if they are incorrect.:thup:
Here's my 20mm drill round brought back from WW2 by a vet, taken from the factory they liberated. Base numbers are hac, H42, waa354. The other is a Canadian fired 20mm came from our ranges after a training run by CF 5 with his Pontiac M39A2 cannon...
Thanks for the additional information guys.
Apologies; yes it appears that the shell has been fired. The primer in the case is unfired.
So it must have been put together at some point.
I picked it up for 2 Euro's at a local brocante; so still think it was a bargain!
I'm wondering if it's a tracer round. Obviously a certain number of 20mm anti aircraft rounds were.Quote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
2 Euros is as cheap as chips depending on who wanted it over here it would go for @$80 - $120+/Aud thats only a rough guide get two "I want it's" and it could go for $200+.
I have seen stuff that well defies logic for ppl to pay that much but in a bidding war some just won't stop.
Just like $4,000/Aud for a Tiger 88mm round it was around for a while went to usedguns for a while then disappeared from the net so they may have sold it may not have, 15 years ago I was offered one for $1000/Aud at a show but turned it down as I only had that amount for the show.
Around my parts a German 20mm is about $20, maybe more. You got a good deal. On the primer, I did some checking to see if these were electronic fired but had no luck determining that. The primer on mine hasn't been struck either but it's been deactivated.
I know what you mean on getting two people that want it in a bidding war haha. For a very long time, I had been looking for an m13 spam can of grenade cartridges that had the m3s, the m6s and the M7 booster cartridges(A little bit of everything). Well finally one showed up on gun broker and I got into a bidding war with another guy and I ended up paying $850 for it haha. Of course I way overpaid for it but they come along so very rarely, me and my son had already decided it was coming home to our collection before the auction had even ended regardless of what it was going to go for. Depends on how bad people want it. If things like this 20 mm anti-aircraft shell is very rare in your neck of the woods, I could easily see it reaching your estimate and then someQuote:
Originally Posted by CINDERS
TBH as to our topographical location anything we get down here is rare!:rofl:
I thought this video is quite informative.
Flak 38 Part 1: Ammunition - YouTube