Enfield Sniper auction questions

Hello all,

It seems there is much interest in the auction below. Looks to me like there have been some enhancements made to the rig. The scope and rifle seem to match and matches the scope tin markings. The mount markings are very unclear and it appears not to match the rifle's serial number. The most striking oddity is that the rifle serial number has been stamped on the wrist of the buttstock where the scope serial number should be stamped.

Thoughts?

Thanks,

Brian

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1028940103

Never seen the "S" stamped so badly like 2 lots of double esses.

Looks pretty honest with a mismatch telescope and bracket. I've seen the rifle number stamped on the top of the wrist before but it's usually a wartime Maltby No.4Mk.1 or an L42A1. I've never seen it on a No.4T. Guessing someone stamped it over the original telescope number but could be wrong. Someone always has to "improve" things when they should just leave it alone. It is what it is.

The only thing I can see that is not 100% is the can markings.
Otherwise an nice clean piece..
I'd put my money on it.

Yes, I'd agree. Lovely typical 44 BSA with Sykes woodwork & brunofixed finish. Scope & bracket mismatched, but genuine enough. I've see a few 4T's with rifle numbers instead of or as well as scope numbers on the butt, though only two or three. I put it down to over enthusiastic individuals during refurbs! And of course, sometimes it's bad fakery. Overall, I'd give this rifle house room!

This set was featured in a YouTube video by M&P Family Productions 3 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4uR8WXPock
They stated that it was bought a a Las Vegas gun show about 2016-2017.

IMHO they would have renumbered the mount if it was paired up with the rifle in service. The scope and rifle number was added to the inside of the can. I doubt this would be done with a mismatched mount. The numbers on the top of the wrist have a square shanked stamp. These numbers were stamped with stamps with round shanks originally. At least the forends were. The numbers on the outside of the can have been removed and it looks like a B prefix rifle serial number is present on the lid that does not match the rifle. I feel the rifle has been humped to enhance.

I'm inclined to agree. The original stamps used to mark the scope number on the butt are also wood marking stamps without the squared base that also leaves its impression around the number. And as you say, if done in service the original rifle number on the bracket would have been barred through & the new number applied.

Thank you all for the insights!!! So many here have seen so many of these rifles and had many of them pass through their hands. Nothing better than real world experience.

Thanks,

Brian B

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Seaforth72

This set was featured in a YouTube video by M&P Family Productions 3 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4uR8WXPock
They stated that it was bought a a Las Vegas gun show about 2016-2017.

---

Ignore the part where the gent tells us how the No32 sight was designed for the 6 Pdr. AT gun etc. etc. :)

I missed out on that one by $25 bucks, but am looking closely at these ones, and hoping for opinions. For the moment, do not consider prices, but which is the most desirable for a keeper long term. Then, rate how badly I did with the one I purchased at the bottom. The collectors sheet should be attached. lets be friendly and productive with this please. I am going to buy one more and I am not so worried about cost for the right one. Think unicorn level for what's available. And yes this is the best pics I can get

British Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 1(T) Sniper Rifle

L42A1 Sniper Rifle

Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 1*(T) Long Branch TP sniper rifle with Lyman Alaskan scope

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1025864804

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1027768759

https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...ith-scope-case

https://www.proxibid.com/Guns-Milita...ation/81868944

https://www.proxibid.com/Guns-Milita...ation/81870067

PRICE REDUCED Enfield No. 4 Mk I (T) Sniper W/ Case + Scope .303 British for sale

Very Late Production No. 4 Sniper Rifle Returned Incomplete by Holland & Holland for sale

British Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 1(T) Sniper Rifle

British Lee Enfield No. 4 Mk 1(T) Sniper Rifle

I did win this one and it should be landing next week or two, collector sheet attached

https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...fle-with-scope

Attachment 134785

Well, for desirability, rarity and collector demand and investment opportunity I'd go for the Ca$20,000 L42A1.

Only 1100 made whilst there were over 20,000 No4T manufactured. It also looks to have the Full CES which has a lot of value and makes it 'complete example' and not just a rifle.

Ease of access to '7.62 factory' ammunition may also factor in the minds of some folk



You also already have an example of a 4T and the l42 is the next evolutionary derivative of the 4T.

Second choice would be the Longbranch/Lyman 4T - again not many made. Expensive without its CES

Added bonus with the L42 Alan it has the innocuous but very valuable plastic bottle that houses the lense brush a most valuable piece as well.
From what I have seen previous so called lense bottles go for on fleabay!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by CINDERS

Added bonus with the L42 Alan it has the innocuous but very valuable plastic bottle that houses the lense brush a most valuable piece as well.
From what I have seen previous so called lense bottles go for on fleabay!

---

Yes - a bottle made (from memory) about GBP £800 and the paintbrush that goes insdie the bottle made another GBP £600

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alan de Enfield

Well, for desirability, rarity and collector demand and investment opportunity I'd go for the Ca$20,000 L42A1.

Only 1100 made whilst there were over 20,000 No4T manufactured. It also looks to have the Full CES which has a lot of value and makes it 'complete example' and not just a rifle.

Ease of access to '7.62 factory' ammunition may also factor in the minds of some folk



You also already have an example of a 4T and the l42 is the next evolutionary derivative of the 4T.

Second choice would be the Longbranch/Lyman 4T - again not many made. Expensive without its CES

---

If ny CES you mean the deployment case, it does have that and is complete. the only detail I could see was that the case is a British rather than Canadian. Still crazy expensive. The L42 A1 is tempting. The incomplete H&H is interesting is there is sufficient providence

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Martiy1971

If ny CES you mean the deployment case, it does have that and is complete. the only detail I could see was that the case is a British rather than Canadian. Still crazy expensive. The L42 A1 is tempting. The incomplete H&H is interesting is there is sufficient providence

---

Yes, it has the case but not the contents (at least no pictures of the contents) for example does it have the 'spotters' telescope.

Trying to read the label - does the Canadian version not include such things as the 'spotters' telescope ?

The incomplete H&H really caught my eye as it has a great untouched look. The screws and staking haven't been messed with and the stock finish looks totally original. The no scope and mount though is the (big) negative. Salt Flat