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So this is billed as authentic but it looks a bit "surspicious" to me. No tarnish on the buckles especially concerns me. I have and NZ marked Mk1* that needs a proper sling and this would fit the bill but I would rather not spend 70$US to find out its a fake with a nice stamp. I have not seen NZ marked repros before but Im not sure how much stock i put in that.
Me thinks a Kiwi Mk1* should not wear a green post WW2 sling any way.
I have 2 or 3 early ww1 dated web slings with that exact same style of ink N^Z stamping, I have never seen or heard of that stamping applied to a later sling. As most of our ww2 era slings are Canadian anyhow.
This was kind of my question...was WW2 NZ gear stamped in such a way regardless of the color. For that marking to be so clean with no makers marks is one of many red flags for me.
But not in green for ww1.
I should clarify I made a typo that might be a factor ..this is for a no4Mk1*.
I’ve not seen one stamped like this. As others say it’s a post war sling that would most likely have been on a no 5 rather than a smle.
Possibly for the L1A1 SLR.
Check the length for a SLR sling.
Here's a picture of mine on my NZ SLR for reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmkeller
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Here's a picture of mine on my NZ SLR for reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmkeller
So the one I found appears to match yours which does support it being authentic...but is it a 70$ US piece?
Sorry for the late reply, price wise, it's difficult to say, I bought mine on eBay about 9 years ago, to go with my NZ issue L1A1, I can't remember the price, but it was nothing like £50 ( $70).
It's of course entirely subjective, they rarely come up for sale here.
The length of the SLR and SMLE/No.4 sling is the same at 45". I just compared a handful of older slings to a nos Australian L1A1 sling. Bren slings are longer.
The fittings for the the sling in the first photos are British.
To date I haven't seen N/|\Z marked L1A1 slings. Plenty of Australian, Canadian (No.4,Mk1) and WW1 dated slings in the past and some British Slings in the Ancillary Packs, brand new dated 1963/4, but none of them NZ marked.
How clear are the markings on yours John? What is the small wording perpendicular to the N/|\Z
New Zealand stopped marking rifles NZ in 1960, I can't see why they would bother to mark slings, unless it was applied by the manufacture for some reason?.
The marking doesn't match the earlier N/|\Z marked .303 slings as they have Serifs on the letters
The Correct Sling for a New Zealand No.4 Mk. 1 (LB) would be a Khaki sling made by the Canadian's for the their rifles. They come with both Brass and steel fittings. We didn't' have special slings for the rifles, we used what came with them for decades, then used the same slings with the L1A1 rifles, not the nice new ones that were supplied with the L1A1 rifles, they would have to wait to be used when the old .303 slings had been used up. If its a Savage No. 4, Mk. 1, then look for one of their [S] marked slings and use that..... or a Canadian, British, Australian, South African, Web Sling.. they system didn't care where it came from, just that it matched the description and was serviceable.Quote:
Originally Posted by mnmkeller
This ..this makes me happy.
Could that "Z" in the OP actually be a "7" making the marking "N Broad Arrow 7"?
Where are these slings being sold from? can someone send me a link to them. Is it a store or feabay?
The problem is, and I've discussed this with an equipment specialist here in New Zealand, like most things that are created, they have tripped up by not knowing their subject.
Green Slings didn't come into service until the introduction of the L1A1 and the LoCs date the introduction as 1957, before that the slings were Khaki or dyed various colours
New Zealand had stopped using that marking by 1930.
Fleabay ..includes a story about how NZ dyrd their stuff green etc etc.
This is a singular item from what I can tell.
Hi Kev, mine is NZ 1943, I assume it started life on a lend lease No4 MK1*.Quote:
Originally Posted by nzl1a1collector
Price is high even if original. Like others said, post war. Probably original, doubt they are making repros of post war slings yet. Dated war examples are in the $30's.
When I collected general militaria as a teenager back in the late 70's early 80's, , I used to buy pattern 1937 webbing for peanuts from a surplus store called Russles in Swindon Wiltshire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aragorn243
You could buy a complete set of P37 webbing in the colour of your choice for £15, large bins of it.
You just added the entrenching tool, water bottle and bayonet for another £20 ish
There was so much of it you could easily put a set of RAF blue webbing together from the same manufacturer!
Slings, I used to rummage through the slings to find the best ones, with clear markings .... And put back the WW1 dated examples as they didn't interest me!!!
P37 slings, £1.50.
If only I had bought all the WW1 slings, I would have had a bloody retirement fund, the amount they go for today....
I ended up with numerous complete sets of web equipment, all manufacturer and colour matched in spotless condition.
When I took up shooting, I ended up selling the lot to dealers at arms fairs and they went silly over it, such is the interest in reenactment these days.
I recall it payed for my first two Lee Enfields!
The 1960's in Brighton Sx had similar experiences for me; although being the pedant that I am, rifle slings never had a pattern number attached to them, they were always, "Slings, Webbing, Rifle." up until (I assume) the advent of the SA80 era?Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
Good point Mick, what pattern are the Canvas slings, appearing in 1916 'ish', I would suppose an extension of 1907 pattern??Quote:
Originally Posted by Strangely Brown
Was that the surplus store near Sergeants tool shop on the main road into Swindon from Wootton Bassett? I've been trying to remember the name of this particular surplus store.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
Morning mate, now you're asking, we are talking 45 years ago now and I really can't remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying10uk
It was in the town centre, the owner was a slightly built guy with a beard, always wore his 'product', so ended up looking like some sort of revolutionary....
Not really my field of expertise but I believe the webbing style was accepted into service in 1907 but officially bears the pattern date & number of 08.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
I found an image. I use to visit this store in Swindon in the 1980's but some years earlier there was also a larger government surplus store at least twice the size. It was on the same road but closer to the centre of Swindon.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrclark303
I still have some of the first aid tins that were purchased from there in the 1970's, "Outfit First Aid Small For Armoured Fighting Vehicles" and also a pair of field telephones.