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Ricky B likes it… you should too…
Btw.. next time if you are curious… you can ask in the thread it is posted in..
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Originally Posted by Ls6man
Never said I did not like it. Noticed something unusual about the it and wanted to see if any one else noticed it.
As far as posting in the original thread it was my intent to separate as to not identify the particular rifle.
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Winchester, cartouches seem OK to me (but Ive been wrong before), but without seeing the features of the stock verifying that it is a true Winchester I wouldnt want to provide a final opinion.
It is my understanding that the original as-issued cartouches were stamped ONLY on authentic Winchester stocks. Win stocks have certain differences from stocks by other manufacturers. I would need pics of inside near bottom of trigger guard inlet and towards the top to form an opinion of the true origin of the stock..
No it is a WRA not the cartouche but look at the woodQuote:
Originally Posted by 1903Collector
I dont follow the meaning of your answer at all? Please elaborate clearly.
If you are pointing out the odd/suspicious grain and finish patterns, yes, I also am not sure what I am seeing. It is at best...unusual.
So I own the rifle.. the stock has been looked over by Ricky B and countless others in the GCA.. no issues.. the rifle is actually about the nicest Win-13 you could hope to find.. not sure what you are driving at..
What you are seeing is wood grain.. Winchester stocks weren’t always finished to the same detail as Springfield.. spend time with M1 carbines and it also becomes apparent.
Maybe if I get a chance I will pull out some M1’s (this and a few others in similar condition) and take pics and post them.,
Win-13 1st day of production - Album on Imgur
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Btw..
WRA/GHD Stock pt. 2 - Album on Imgur
You should learn to post pics on here without the carrier. Hosts like imgur.com are so conveluded and have so much junk accompanying it makes it not worth the time it takes to fight through to see the pics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ls6man
I think he see Birch when it is 100% Black Walnut. Rick B
Right on!Quote:
Originally Posted by browningautorifle
Thanks Rick.. Agreed.. he must be incorrectly assuming it is birchQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick B
Nope not thinking Birch - it seemed unusual to me to have a stock this far down the road with unfilled grain and all the marks on the receiver healQuote:
Originally Posted by Ls6man
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So because something seemed unusual to you…
You make some nonsensical post, where you pull 1 photo out of an entire album, essentially questioning the authenticity of my rifle, instead of just asking your question in a direct way?
Interesting way of getting forum traffic….and being “inviting” to infrequent posters
BTW.. this rifle has been posted on the CMP forum many times and in various FB Garand groups..
Please share your Win-13… I’m curious now.
Let's tone down the discussion. We are a polite society, here. As an infrequent poster you might want to recheck the rules for forum behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ls6man
Bob
With all due respect.. I’m on all the major US and German forums…under the same screen name… and if my comment bothers the OP (or anyone here).. sorry…. BUTQuote:
Originally Posted by Bob Womack
1) The only logical reason the OP posted this thread was he thought there were issues with the stock. He literally comments when asked why he made a thread instead of just asking in the other thread.. “I didn’t want to identify the rifle.”
Why?
2) He literally pulled a single pic out of an album posted in a “Win-13” thread… there are way more pics showing the stock and anyone with knowledge (as he implies he has..) can see the stock is right as rain.
3). He could have sent a message asking for any info and I’d happily give it..: but he chose not to
4) No where in this thread does he apologize if others thought the stock wasn’t right but almost seems to “double down,” despite the leading stock guy saying otherwise…
Give me a break.., if you want to protect “your guy,”. So be it.., but if you do a search here you will find when I do post it is about collectible stuff.. US snipers (Unertl, M1C, A4’s) and collectors quality M1’s… Candidly the stuff I own is top tier stuff and stuff others can reference for what is both correct and in top condition… If you want collectors to come here (and let’s be real.. there aren’t many daily post of discussions). …
Let’s not be overly heavy handed and if going to admonish…. Do it equally
As a moderator on a page for Unertl snipers..feedback is a gift … since we all like public post instead of DM
Take care
Greg Carlson
The markings are real. The stock was possibly refinished and then put on a older Garand. I have been refinishing for over 30 years and seen and or worked on thousands and thousands of stocks. I have seen many odd looking cartouches with many from the Barn wood. Double stamped. Side ways. Stamps that look like they were two half's top and bottom from a bounce. I look at the letters, spacing, periods, distance to box edge, letter bridges and size of letters for starters. Don't get me started on the cannons lol. They are one of the hardest things for anyone today to make unless they are a Government artist worker.
This GHD was one of those straight out of the barn and sitting since WWII which is one heck of an anomaly. Makes me wonder if they had a 2 part stamp at some point. Rick B
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Hey Rick, did moisture from the barn do that to the wood grain on the stock you show?
Greg, the number of forums you are on is irrelevant to the request to tone it down. Please rethink the responses before you post them. This is a forum meant to be friendly, non-combative, nonconfrentational and pleasent to all members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ls6man
If you see a post that sparks a curt response, ignore it, report it or make your post in a friendly and respectful manner.
This site very rarely gets in the middle of or micro manages any of its content and we sincerely don't wish to start now.
Thanks you for your cooperation in this matter. :thup:
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Originally Posted by Bill Hollinger
Thank you for your post…
Perspectives go both ways… if you want to claim you are a site which is “friendly, non-combative, non-confrontational, and pleasant to all members.” Then it can’t be one sided.. as I am also a member and my perspective at this moment is you (the moderators) want to protect “your guy,” and are not a lot of what you claim.
It is hard to take the OP intent of this thread any other way, other than attempting to “cast doubt” or call into question the legitimacy of the rifle. I’ve seen their previous post from an “experts” perspective..and their wording and “tone,” tried to convey that here..
Not once when their “questions,” were answered have they posted, much less after presumably reading my post which specifically addresses my concerns. Let’s be real if they were making an honest question based post, once they were informed their opinion was incorrect…, they would apologize for any potential negative blow back their question caused..
Yet they haven’t…
At the end of the day my perspective is you are more interested in protecting someone and keeping the “peace,” than actual fact based information about collectible items..
I am really a classic muscle car guy… a German WW2 collector second and US WW2 collector a distant third. I’m on many sites where my screen name doesn’t change and I mention that as I’ve been told some here are also on other forums… with different screen names.
The car and German gun sites I frequent don’t censure conversation in the effort to be “civil,” especially when members attempt to cast doubt on items owned by other members and are incorrect… nor do they trivialize themselves with civility over factual information .
They also don’t play favorites, when any censuring given should include both parties.. and it is commonly accepted anyone can be wrong and no one is above criticism or critique.
Sorry if I offended anyone..
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Since this thread is what it is… probably should be locked and hopefully those who are genuinely curious about Win-13’s learned something
Well well. Okay, first we are not siding one way or another. When posts are reported we try very hard to respond quickly. It has nothing to do with taking sides for our guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ls6man
Unfortunately you have shown you would rather continue to argue your point and although I understand wanting to make that point you have shown that, to you anyway, your point somehow outweighs the attempt to keep this site as the owner wants it. We have attempted to reason with you but you are more interested in keeping this going and having the last word.
I'm going to say this one last time, tone down your argumentative responses and share your thoughts and concerns in a respectful way.
I've been associated with this site for many years, back to the CSP and never have we had an issue with a member such as this. It will not be tolerated or condoned. It is not fair to the staff, members or you. I have read several times through this thread and I take no issue with any other member.
Now, if you are interested in enjoying and benefiting from the information contained within the pages and threads of this site then please do. If you are only interested in creating an apmosphere where other members and staff are made to feel uncomfortable and on their guard then perhaps this is not a site for you.
This is all I'll say on the matter. If you feel it necessary to continue this then we'll revisit it at that time.
Please share your Win-13… I’m curious now.
here is my stock - need to dig out the rifle out of the safe tomorrow
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Good morning
This is my last post on this thread..
I have no interest or time to get into some Richard conversation with an Internet forum, one I literally only visit once or twice every few months.. I hadn’t been on here in literally years until a Google search of my M1C’s serial number pulled up an old thread from 2009. Interestingly the forum members then were questioning the validity of the rifles stock, when in actuality it is an original example and according to Dave a fantastic C.
I find it incredulous someone would imply this thread is the worst example of civility on here since the CSP.
I know that isn’t the case because I started on Gun and Knife and was on the CSP at its inception.. and knew Dick and Gloria personally. I mention that as contextually Ive seen the evolution of the ‘net and firearm discussions . I’ve seen firsthand some of the threads on forums and believe me… this is so mild it really shouldn’t even be a “thing”
I’ve been collecting a long time… and know or have known (many aren’t with us anymore or have left the hobby) most of the “heavy weights,” in collecting (US or German).
I don’t mind someone questioning something I have… but do it respectfully (as they should anyone’s items) AND if their question /post throws unintended shade on the item, especially after their question was answered… man up and post an apology.. AND if that doesn’t happen.. IMO accept the blow back and moderation should recognize this and correct the post..
The other fundamental issue I have with this thread at this point is MY PERCEIVED (and last I looked I’ve earned the right to have an opinion) opinion has been minimized… and moderation still doesn’t get that
So I’m publicly asking the thread to be removed…
Thanks
I just don't understand all this. If the rifle and stock in question is legit (which it is if Rick B says so), then why care at all who views it and analyzes it. If it were mine, I wouldn't care who said what about it. It's already been authenticated by the top stock expert. More eyes on something can't hurt, and could become a learning experience for someone else. I don't believe Mark had any ill intentions, heck, he even tried to keep the owner's privacy intact by trying not to single out the rifle's owner in the first place, only showing the cartouche and weird grain section. In my view he was simply asking if anyone saw anything weird, nothing more. Real professionals wouldn't mind anything they owned being scrutinized. I know anything I own that I know is authentic, I would welcome all the criticisms about it.
To clear up my previous post, in other words, if he didn't want people scrutinizing his rifle, then why put it on the internet at all? He should have just personally and privately took it to Rick B, had it authenticated, and then took it back home if he didn't want other people asking questions about it or questioning it in any way. Should have just kept the entire thing private and not on a public forum. Just for giggles, if I ever post anything that I believe or know is genuine, anyone and everyone on this forum and others have my no strings attached permission to post pictures of anything I own and ask all the questions and scrutinize anything you want to about it and you will not hear one sour word from me. That goes for forums I don't belong to or never visit. I just wouldn't care. Out of all the problems life throws at me, I just wouldn't allow that to be one of them haha
Fella, needs to start his own website.
And then respectfully be the arbiter of all that is righteous unto himself.
Idk know about anyone else, but I could give a toss about any gleaming examples of Winchester or any best rifle someone produces.
Or anything else for that matter when they come across like that.
It's a detriment to the hobby is sadly what it is. Other knowledgeable members have come and gone because they have zero people skills. All that knowledge gone and unaccessible, All because of attitudes and egos
Okay. Let's let it go. Thanks, all, for calm attitudes.
Bob