FN Mauser in 22Lr.

I've been doing some research on the 1952 FN Mausers in 22lr. Do any of the members here have one of these? If so which one do you have?
I have two of the variations, and ABL made for the Belgian Army and one that was made for the Israeli IDF. There was also another version of the ABL that was parkerised and was Belgian Navy issue. There were 1000 of the ABL's made.
I thought there were 1000 made for the Israeli IDF but I've heard of a serial number below 1000 and mine is 1630. I presumed that with mine being over 1000 that FN started the serial numbers for the Israeli IDF rifles after the run on the ABL's which went from 001-1000, I have 016. There is a book on Mausers that has more info, but I haven't acquired it yet. I don't know the title off hand. Here is a pic of my rifles
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I just took delivery of an FN Israeli .22 trainer. Number 13xx. Found it on the Sturmgewehr board. The ad is still there with pictures. The stock has nicks but the metal and bore are in fine shape. I'll take it to the range tomorrow.

You picked up a rare piece for a good price. You don't see many of the 1952 FN 22lr's for sale. It should be a keeper. Thanks for posting about your find.

There is also an FN .22 training rifle made for the Force Publique in the Belgian Congo with "FP" on its receiver, made in the same era, the early 1950's. It has a black enamel paint finish, just like many 1951-dated ABL Mle 1924's.
Regards,
John

I was aware of the FP, I believe there were only 300 of the Belgian Congo rifles made. I'm interested in pics of the Remington barreled Israeli rifles and serial numbers of the FN Israeli rifles to see if they start at 1001.

I was up in Vancouver, Canada and walked into a very nice gunshop. Piles of Swedish Mausers and a rack of those .22 rifles. I asked the owner if an American could buy a .22 and he said I needed a FAC. No sale!

Think that I might have one. Thought it was a german sniper trainer. I was young and inexperienced. Can't find any info except for what little Ball has to say. Serial # is 0610590 with 0590 stamped at the bottom of the stock, next to the 0.22. The reciever, and bent bolt have the 0.22 as well. The rear sight collar says 400 divided 25. And the barrel is real, not a liner. It has the Israel type wood furniture. Receiver has no crest just serial on one side and 0.22 on the other.
The whole rifle was Germaned up with marks and had a paul jenkins/zelvier-mount/scope attached to the side rail. I think its on a vz 24 Czech receiver and the entire gun is in the white (no blueing). It has a Czech marked k98 sling and a little Czech mark on the right bayonet lug.
Been trying to find any info so to determine what gun I actually have. Will try and get some pictures posted. wolf

The mark in the circle on the sling is Israeli IDF mark. It's the same one on my FN trainer. Have you had the rifle apart to see the marks in the barrel?
The 022 is also an Israeli marking, again the same as my rifle is marked.
How is the bolt set up?

Know of a mint,like new, perfect Belgian Naval model with the grey park finish, but can't come up with a fair,realistic price to offer. Any suggestions?
Not much info out there on these. Only 1,000 made according to books.
Geoff

Not sure how many of the Belgian Navy models there are. The whole contract with FN was for 1000 rifles. Value is what both of you agree on as estimating is difficult when you can't find them for sale. Several years ago, I paid around $900 for my Army model. Others have paid less or more for the Israeli model which is more common in the USA. Both are available in Canada, more so than the USA. So prices would vary and probably be lower than here.

Refused an offer of $1000.00

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So far only I know about one other person in South America with one. Nice find if you can get one. Army version is more common, in comparison. but still a tough find. I know a Mauser collector about an hour and a half drive from me with the Army version.

Mauser Military Rifles of the World - Google Books

I have both of the Belgian ABL 1952 and the IDF .22 trainers. The ABL is unissued and is an excellent example. I picked up a complete stock set with all the metal for an ABL last year. It was on line and when I looked at it I thought it looked different. When I received better pictured I knew it was a new or near new take off stock for the ABL 1952s. It is carefully boxed up and waiting for an ABL to come along or one that has been assaulted by Bubba and needs a new stock.

Hello from N. Texas

Just saw this link on the Israeli K98 .22's

As a former US Army Ordnance Officer and a avid Mauser collector, I have been trying for decades to locate a Israeli F. N. K98 .22 training rifle in good shape. I saw one of these in a gun store in Liege, Belgium in 1992, just days before my retirement.

I have been in conversation with a gentleman in Vancouver, Canada that has a stash of them, but cannot sell due to the Canada firearms laws and the so called FAC.

I saw one at the huge Tulsa, Oklahoma gun show last year, but had a bent barrel.

Had to pass on it.

I monitor most of the firearms websites and hit most of the regional gun shows in the southwest and have never seen one for sale or trade.

Does anyone, any where know of one in excellent/very good shape for inspection and possible sale ???

Looking forward to a PM reply

Avid Mauser collector
Haltom City, Texas
US Army - Ordnance; Germany, Italy, Greece, S. Korea, Turkey, Saudia, Alabama.
Lt. Col - Ret.
NRA Lifetime member

I now have two of the Belgian ABL 1952 .22 Mausers, and one complete FN IDF .22 trainer.
I am purchasing another FN manufactured IDF .22 but the wood has been cut back. I will have to try to find the proper wood for a restoration.
I purchased a complete stock set for the Belgian ABL 1952 a few years back on CGN and am waiting for an example to be resurrected.
They aren't of any use to install them on the IDF because the top wood encircles the rear sight of the ABL.
The IDF uses the short stock like the K98k.

There's one for sale now in Germany. Asking price is € 500: http://egun.de/market/item.php?id=4361444

Seems like it's still in the original blueing and has never been reworked. Serial is 410, also matching on the stock.

Here are a few pictures of my FN .22 rifles.
Two at the top are Belgian ABL 1952 .22 Mausers.
The bottom rifle is a complete FN IDF .22 trainer including IDF sling.
P&S has one of the Naval .22 on its site for $850 or something like that.

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How do I get the pictures on my thread as Thumbnails?

I found this all matching one last year at a gun show in Cheyenne, WY. Here are a few pictures and I’m curious to hear everyone’s thoughts on it. The metal is in great shape except at the end of the barrel where the finish is worn. The stock shows its age, and had much oil soaked in that has turned parts of it darker. I left the stock out in the hot summer sun to remove the excess oil and it now looks much better.https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...dc768f81-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...8c92b3fd-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...c321c712-1.jpghttps://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...7702dd54-1.jpg

I have an FN .22 trainer IDF like new. Bought it years ago, don't recall where. Serial 1299. I also have a German 98 converted to .22. Interesting rifles. The old German one shoots like a dream. Haven't shot the FN recently. May have to take them both out for a run.