I've seen pictures of the Model 70 in Vietnam with the Unertl scope and mount, but I've also seen pictures of a Model 70 with what looks like a 3x9x40scope, but I can't make out the mounts,,,what was used for the Redfield scopes?
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I've seen pictures of the Model 70 in Vietnam with the Unertl scope and mount, but I've also seen pictures of a Model 70 with what looks like a 3x9x40scope, but I can't make out the mounts,,,what was used for the Redfield scopes?
Other than the Unertl's, the only scopes I'm aware of used on the model 70s were some 3x9 Japanese made commercial scopes bought through the PX system. The mounts were probably obtained in the same way.
I've seen this grunt identified as a Marine on numerous websites, honestly, I'm not too sure how to tell a Marine from Army during that time period. It does appear to be a Model 70 but the scope is not a Unertl.
Were Redfield scope mounts common then?
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...ifletmac-1.jpg
That looks like an M84 scope. Those were probably available in the supply system, but they were only 2.5X. Not bad for the type of terrain in that pic, though. I really have no idea about the mounts; Redfield, Williams...or whatever they could get.
the early variant of the Leatherwood ART??
Can't be a MARINE, not enough equipment for the body stature.
The URL of the pic leads to a 101 Airborne LRRP/Ranger site. The photographer was Army.
Early redfield steel mount & intergrated 1 "ringsQuote:
Originally Posted by Critch
Thanks Lt1, I've always wondered what the scope mounts looked like back then. When I found that picture the first time it was IDed as a Marine, but I still wasn't sure.
I wish American Rifleman or one of the magazines would do an article on early scope mounts.
I have pics from 60's magazine article that show the USMC Win 70 sniper w/the japanese "Marine Scope" to be using a two-piece mount.
When the Remington 700's came along they utilized the one piece Redfield Jr. with a parkerized finish. the Redfield was reportedly the source of some problems - a little too light for a combat rifle.
The following letter From Col Bill Dickman USMC Ret.that relates to the M40 & M70 used by HathcockQuote:
Originally Posted by JGaynor
Critch,
The AR did do an article about 10 years ago give or take. The M40's I saw had Redfield Jr mounts and Redfield 3X9 scopes. They had wood stocks and very heavy barrels. Middle 70's some "surplus" M40 stocks were available and I purchased two both glass bedded.
Hathcocks m70 was a target rifle, not a sporter as seen in the pic..
binew
Critch,
That pic. is an Army Grunt not a Marine. The easy way to tell is the elastic o/d helmet band. Most all Marine's at that time wore a cut up inner tube off of a M151 jeep tire, It was black, it was different from the Army Grunt and it was just the right size for the helmet. [It was a Marine thing:madsmile:.] And you would be hard pressed to find a Marine with an army issue o/d helmet band. lboos
Would a sniper carry a radio? Been a long time. What is that thing,
a PRC twenty something? I remember the coil cord and flat handset.
You can always tell a Marine. But you can't tell him much.
Semper Fi
Buckeye Shooter,
He could be a LRRP. Thats probley a PRC 20 or 25. The Marines for some reason liked the old stuff, PRC 15's And the old WW2 canteen's with the small black plastic top,s, if you notice the Army Grunt in the pic. is carring the newer large o/d cap canteen's. The Army seem's to have got the newer stuff, If you remember the marines were the last to give up there M-14's.
Im not an expert, But i play one on the internet {Stolen]:madsmile:. lboos.
He was there and could tell us what they used.
Sorry i made a mistake.
Just reading old posts. I have a Vietnam bringback Win 70. It was shipped to the US Navy in 1965, has an M84 scope and was captured back from the NVA by the 101st in 1969...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gator