anybody ever see any for sale?
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anybody ever see any for sale?
It's hit or miss on WRA barrels. Lots of fakes out there, so beware. I got burned, a few years ago. It was before I knew what to look for.
Samw here I got burned a couple months ago before I knew what to look for as well. Do your homework and it will save you some $
The Babcock book that you were talking about, any Winchester barrel photos in the book ? The long and short pads, long and short splines and barrel markings ?
I have a post war WRA for sale.
I'll take $100.00 for it.
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Originally Posted by Larry McLarty
Trade you a gas-trap IHC barrel.
A phone call to the right guys can usually turn up something. Prices I have seen/heard asked and sold both auction and private sales.
Grade III ....lots a use, some pitting, high T and M readings. 225-300
Grade II...good serviceable, nice bore markings, good T and M readings. 375-550
Grade I ...excellent to new. T and M readings close to 1. 650-950 M
I'm told that one individual has received three WRA WWII barrels on CMP non WRA barreled receivers!.. And a Norwegian made M1 barrel on another.
I have a 2.4 SA that has a MINT Win barrel on it, came from CMP some years back.
Ebay has 'em from time to time. Don't just check for WRA or Winchester. Also do a search on rifle barrels. I pick up a WWII Win on one occasion as the guy listed it as a Garand Barrel. Said it was marked on top as being made in 1948. The pic showed a partial stamping. Took a chance and purchased it for $50. Yep, WRA barrel. What he took for a "1948" stamping was a partial drawing number for the barrel. Also had the pin prick and WP oval, which he totally ignored. :cheers:
Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom in N.J.
I tried to determine a similar barrel in about 1984 I have out on loan without a definitive conclusion but I think it's FN Liege, Belguim.
There are indeed post war Winchester Garand barrels. Most 1966-67 production and sometimes calles "Script" barrels due to the Winchester script trademark stamp on the side of the barrels. How many do you need?:nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by kz1000
To me the mark looks like the Norwegian Kongsbergs Factory mark (see link below). The Norwegians did use the M1 Garand for many years starting in the 1950s.
Wikimedia page not found: http://upload.wikimedia.org
Sorry, the link didn't work. Hopefully the Kongsberg mark will appear here.
Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Doniphon
It could be...........
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Originally Posted by RCS
I know it shows a few Win bbls in there but I'll have to check when I get off of work for the specs that you asked. I'm sorry I can't do any more right now.
Like RCS said the pad lengths are key. The drawing number means nothing whether it is op rod or clip latch side readable Here are a few WRA barrels..
Starting from left side the first three are long pad long spline { early }. The far right one is a shorter pad with long spline,{ Later } In the lower photo you can see how much more this pad sticks out from the cylinder.
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The mark on the barrel IS the Kongsberg Arsenal mark. Here is a Norweigain M1 bayonet with the same mark.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...1Bayonet-1.jpg
I will sell this one for $550.00. TE is 6. Muzzle is about 4 (see pic)
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http://images2d.snapfish.com/2323232...%3B32%3Cnu0mrj
http://images2c.snapfish.com/2323232...3B332%3Cnu0mrj
http://images2d.snapfish.com/2323232...3B632%3Cnu0mrj
http://images2d.snapfish.com/2323232...3B832%3Cnu0mrj
http://images2c.snapfish.com/2323232...3C432%3Cnu0mrj
http://images2c.snapfish.com/2323232...3B532%3Cnu0mrj
Tom (both of you),Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom in N.J.
I think you're both right. :cheers:
what is the range for early/late based on the pad length? I was taken by a fake barrel on a rifle and bought what I consider to be a real one for a restoration, except I was under the impression I got one with the drawing number facing the wrong way. also fairly sure the stock was humpped as well because it is too nice, restoration project is on hold until I can find some legit wood. thanks in advance..
Short pad barrels started showing up on early 1.2 mil rifles and long pad barrels were pretty much gone by 1943. There is no "wrong way" for the drawing number to face on WRA barrels. They were randomly stamped both ways during all periods of production. Post some pics of your barrel and your stock and maybe we can figure out if they are legit.
I wrote this a long time ago and though it is quite long, it is still very good information. It discusses both the readable direction and the spline/pad length, as well as transition.
http://web.archive.org/web/200303040...rabarrels.html
You can also go back thru Lane's Tips page (hat's off to Lane) and see what the early days of CSP were like - it was unique. Lots of great info there. Here's the link (and you might want to save it);
http://web.archive.org/web/200302022...com/lanestips/
If you are looking for a good WRA barrel, take your time. You may have to get a little bit creative, like I have seen some really nice barrels for sale recently, but you have to buy the entire rifle to get it. Often these are priced rather attractively given what you get with them (which is, a whole 'nother rifle!). The hard part for me is then selling off the excess parts which those who know me, know that I can never really manage to declare much of anything as 'excess' ... (grin)).
Thanks Bodyman, it has been so long I forgot when you wrote that up. Thank goodness the archives are there.
As for pad length time frame. It clearly did not make it to the 1.2 million period. I would say it dropped off more in the 123,000 range if even that late but I may be way off base so maybe Bodyman can give more details on this. Rick B
I will post some pics of what I have soon. I don't have a good camera handy at the moment. I did look at the bbl. and it is a clip latch side and long pad, I have a OCT. 1943 rifle if memory suites me as it is deep in the safe.. Thanks, Jeremy.
Rick, Here is the information I have in my notes after talking to a couple of knowledgable collectors and gathering what info I could from discussions on the forums. Early WRA barrels, up to about serial #125000, were consistant in that they all had long pads and the drawing number was readable from the op rod side. After that they still had long pads up to the early 1.2 mil rifles, but the drawing number could either be op rod side or clip latch side. The short pad barrels started showing up in the early 1.2 mil series, but an occasional long pad barrel could still be found clear up into the 2 mil series with the drawing number still being randomly stamped. I don't know if this is totally correct information or whether anyone really knows for sure since there have not been a whole lot of original Winchesters found. If anyone else has any info I hope they will join in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick B
Below 125,000 everything 'seems' to be oprod readable and long spline/pad. After that the direction of print is both directions. Shorter pads and splines 'seem' to begin transitioning in around the change in contract or right around the 1.2 million mark. As with all almost all the earlier parts at WRA, they can show up at random on later rifles. With regard to these earlier profile barrels, while they may be less common on the midwar rifles, they do show up all the way thru production and quite a few have even been seen at the very end on Win-13's.
The earliest data is terribly thin, but that is basically what the observations (of many) support to this point.
From my 2.4 million pictured below in another thread. TE 3.5 ME 1.5 hth.
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...tandard-33.jpg
https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...tandard-34.jpg