I have almost enough parts for a rebuild for a BMB Garand. I think!!!! I now need a recvr. I have PB parts and BMB parts will they go correctly together???? And...... How hard is it to find a Berretta recvr????
Thanks for your help TerryR
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I have almost enough parts for a rebuild for a BMB Garand. I think!!!! I now need a recvr. I have PB parts and BMB parts will they go correctly together???? And...... How hard is it to find a Berretta recvr????
Thanks for your help TerryR
The BMB/BMR parts are separate from the PB parts. Long story about the difference.
I found one at a gun show 4-5 years ago and found the other several years ago on the CSP Shopper.
Can't say how you would find one, just have to be watching for them.
They usually turn up when you least expect it.
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BTW, if you don't have a barrel have seen a couple recently on the Shopper.
You need ALL PB(Beretta) or BMR/BMB(Breda) parts for EACH rifle with NO admixtures allowed.
A Beretta M1 will have ALL PB marked parts and a Breda will have ALL BMR/BMB marked parts.Everything except screws and springs and sling swivels(stacking swivels too) and Breda rear sight ELEVATION knobs were marked(PB knobs WERE marked)
Firing pins and extractors ARE also marked as are rear sight apertures.
Assembling the parts to do a build IS lots of fun and not too expensive IF you are patient.You see receivers and non matching rifles quite regularly so buying a barrelled receiver might be the way to start.
The fit and finish on the Italian built rifles is easily the equal of H&R's and late 5 and 6 million SA's too so you WILL wind up with a lovely rifle IF you perservere.
Cheers,
John R.
try Reese Surplus
Beretta and Breda (BMR Breda Meccanica Romana and BMB Breda Meccanica Brescia, subcontractor of PB) produced 30-06 M1 Garands exclusively for Denmark Gov'nt in 50's, using Winchester tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by John R.
Italian Army M1 Garands (both 30-06 cal. and 7,62 NATO) were assembled with SA, WRA, H&R WWII receivers, replacing the 30-06 barrels (Type 2) or shortening the cartridge chamber with steel "adapter" from original 30-06 to 7,62 NATO (Type 1, very rare).
Others receivers produced by Beretta were used for the BM59, called FAL (Fucile Automatico Leggero, Lightweight Automatic Rifle) and for the non-mil version of BM59, the BM62.
PB and Breda marked each components separately, is correct that no admixtures is allowed.
Even though Breda and Beretta rifles did not use each others components when factory built, Breda was a supplier of some receivers to Beretta. My Danish G/M50 rifle by Beretta has "BMR" next to the receiver drawing number, indicating manufacture by Breda. Similar to the SA / IHC deals in the USA.
The wood is also marked, just have to look around. I haven't seen a receiver in 4-5 years.
Tom, just looked at my PB Garand after reading your post. It is one of the BMR/PB receivers. How neat!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom in N.J.
To the OP, I found mine at the Lousiville, KY National Gun Day Show about a year ago now. There is a Breda M1 for sale on gunbroker.com right now, but thats usually the extent of their availability. As someone else said, they show up when you don't expect it. When I got mine, I had never seen a Beretta M1 before and was surprised upon encountering on in person. Its another neat addition to the collection. Good luck.
To the OP. Someone got an import permit for Danish M1 receivers from Canada. I understand it was a small lot befor the powers that be realized their error. Springfield Armory Inc. obtained most of them and used them to assemble SA Inc. M1 rifles. So, when you see a commercial Springfield Armory M1 for sale in a store, look at it .. it could have a Beretta or Breda receiver.
The true story is a little odd. The Lithgow guys did legally get an import permit to bring in a small lot of Italian receivers for standards use in their Lithgow Garand project. They could not sell Lithgow Garands as CMP was selling the real gun at less money. With the project's demise the standards parts were sold. off. I got my receiver from that sale. This was 4 (?) years ago. Receivers are hard to come by.
I looked at the Italian garands as an extention of one of every manufacture. The fit and finish is top of the line, if you can find one in good shape. Took me two years to find both a Breda and Beretta. Good luck.
Why couldn't Danish receivers be imported from Canada?
Eli
Found a BREDA M1D recently.
Fit and finish right up there with any Winchester or Springfield.
This particular rifle was a complete custom build with M84 scope and mount.
All finished in a grey parkerizing, someone put alot of love in this rifle.
Have to do some more research ....
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Well, Breda may well have used Winchester's old tooling but after Beretta's production staff inspected Winchester's equipment they determined that they would build their own tooling (though they never had before) to produce their NATO and other contract M1 rifles.:DQuote:
Beretta and Breda (BMR Breda Meccanica Romana and BMB Breda Meccanica Brescia, subcontractor of PB) produced 30-06 M1 Garands exclusively for Denmark Gov'nt in 50's, using Winchester tools.
I recall this tidbit from an old jouster post -
Professional Firearms
519 W. Lodi Ave
Lodi, CA 95240
209-369-0211
they may have one/some...?
(found in a text file called "Breda_Receivers-buy_here.txt"):thup:
hey guys
nice rifles..
but what about barrels?
im corious to know who made the barrels mounted in this rifle...
on mine, i have a B.Sid. marked barrel.. B.Sid mean Breda Siderurgica, another plant of Breda here in m city, Brescia, italy
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yes, "Breda Siderurgica" is just another Breda shop/factory.
Its the maker of the early Beretta barrels that seems to be the major mystery.
They seems to have several markings applied which indicate different makers/manufacturers, with the ones with the STAR mark being especially intriguing ...
then of course - later on - Beretta began to use generic BSid marked M1 barrels too.
well the star mark with the FAT and year of production mean Fabbrica Armi Terni
it is another gov. plant that made and repair guns since the WWI , sited in Terni, south of italy
BTW, FYI, the Italians never inserted a steel sleeve to convert to 7.62 NATO...the U.S.Navy did! Beretta took the 30-06 barrels, cut the threads off, remachined the threads and breech and rechambered for NATO. Shortened up the op-rod and rear hand guard...Viola', That's why the Italian NATO Garands are 1/2" shorter than the standard M1. :thup:
Lithgow is where i got my beretta receiver but i think it was back in 2002...Quote:
The Lithgow guys did legally get an import permit to bring in a small lot of Italian receivers for standards use in their Lithgow Garand project. They could not sell Lithgow Garands as CMP was selling the real gun at less money. With the project's demise the standards parts were sold. off. I got my receiver from that sale. This was 4 (?) years ago. Receivers are hard to come by.
there was a couple from Ohio who was selling parts kits and i think thats where i got my complete PB kit from. ive got a lot of time putting these rifles together (except for barreling them) and i built it myself...
this is my first post HERE but i was quite a regular to the old CSP back around the turn of the century...how funny does THAT sound!?
im looking for a Breda myself. thats what prompted me to seach for this forum again...
I ended up with excess BMB and PB parts from my project. Email me if you want to swap parts.
free bump for an old thread, pm's sent to posters
Got your PM and totally forgot about this thread,
I do not have any parts as I purchased it as a complete rifle,
The gunstore I purchased it at really didnt know anything about it as they took it in on trade.
I still have it in the safe but Kinda lost interest in military rifles since 2009 focusing more on S&W's.
I havent shot it in 3 years, maybe I will dig it out and fire a few rounds and post a report if I find some time.
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