$100 a box .380s

Saw something interesting while browsing through a flea marktet a couple of days ago.

Saw a table that had a box of Winchester white box bulk pack (100 rd box) of .380 FMJ ball. I looked at the price and it was $100. I asked the guy if that was correct. He said that ".380s are hard to get". Wow, a buck a shot. I bet the box was not even full.

Saw a guy that had a box of Remington 8mm Mauser. The price was $10. I thought that was good and looked in the box to see if it was full. All the rounds were foreign military FMJ with 50s headstamps. I did not get it because I got plenty of Romanian and Yugo 8mm. I think you can still get corrosive mil 8mm for less than $10 a box of 20. The guy did say that the rounds WERE Remington.

Everybody is out to make the big buck.

Not surprised. Gun show last weekend, huge crowd. Walking through I kept hearing "no .380 ammo".

Obvious that most people have ramped up their personal protection and the usual choice for many guys, and to equip their wives, is a concealable 380.

Sure glad that I have a pretty good supply that I "hoarded" a couple years ago.

It's interesting what people say about current prices on ammo. I posted a mesage on another board concerning a local gun store that had some .380 ammo priced at $31.95 a box. They only had 5 boxes, and all were sold within an hour. One of the regulars on that board claimed that the store owner was "price gouging" by selling the ammo for $31.95 a box.
At a large gun show last weekend, I saw .380 selling at $60 and $70 a box. The guy at the table next to mine sold 4 boxes at $60 each, and the buyers were happy to get it.
When you consider the fact that .380 is nearly impossible to get, and the dealer has to pay over $25 a box for it, then $31.95 ain't too bad.
Some people, though, still want to buy it at $12 a box. And they don't seem to understand that a dealer can't sell stuff for less than he pays for it and still stay in business.

I would like to say I saw it coming, but I didnt. I bought a bullet mould and loading dies for the .380 a year or so back, figuring it would probably be a P.I.T.A. to reload the little buggers, but willing to give it a try. After reading this thread, Im glad I did.:dancingbanana:

While on the subject of 380's.
I have a yellow box of CCI LAWMAN 380 Auto 88Gr JHP given to me some time ago.
I opened it up to do an inventory and found that the foam rubber inside the box had turned to goo. The hollow points were filled with the stuff and the bullets were coated with it.
Emails to Omark and Speer were never answered. Guess they're just interested in selling the new stuff. 'Can't blame them......
Does anyone have any ideas on how to clean up this mess without rendering the cartridges useless?
TIA, Phil

Should I start a new thread? I don't know how many folks would be interested in this problem.
Any thoughts????

Lighter fluid on a rag and wipe wipe wipe.

A reloader I dealt with recently mentioned he was inundated with requests for 380's from local police departments. They can't even find factory bulk for range practice.

This will all level out as it always does, so don't expect the manufacturers to ramp up production to meet this most recent demand. It makes much more sense to maintain current production within certain parameters. Parameters that don't allow for extra tooling, staff, and warehouse space etc. They can raise the price at the retail level and increase profits without any increase in overhead.
By not meeting the temporary extra demand, there is no need to increase their demands on raw materials either. That means the rising costs of metals and chemicals will not artificially rise for them either.

Once the Chicken Little panic fizzles, then hoarding stops and the demands level off. There will not be staff layoffs, idle production equipment, or surplus stockpiles taking up valuable storage space awaiting distribution. Raw materials will still be at near pre-panic levels for them.
However, the market has already shown it will tolerate higher prices and those will for the most part stay in effect. People will then cheer for sale prices that are actually yesterdays list prices or higher.

Those who had the foresight to buy stock in munitions companies will turn out in much better shape than those who stockpiled the "perishable" goods.

A couple of weeks ago I loaded 500 or so .380's. Maybe I should start selling them.

Back around the end of March I went to a gun show. Got there when the show opened. I went immediately to a couple of tables where some guys always sell powder, primers, cast bullets and reloaded rounds. There were no .355, 100 gr. cast bullets, no reloaded .380 rounds. Other tables that sell factory and "remanufactured" ammo had no .380s (they did not have any 9mm, 40 S&Ws either). Found one table where a guy had a zip lock bag with supposedly 50 rounds of reloaded .380 with 100 gr. plated bullets. He wanted $36 for the bag. I would imagine he sold that bag long before the show was over. Funny how you could buy a new or used .380 pistol at the show (if willing to pay the price) but could not find ammo to do any shooting or plinking with. I have loaded up 100 rds to do some 15 yrd shooting. I will not be shooting the little Mak and Llama as fast as I used to.

I was at a show today. Guy had 3 boxes of Win 100rd .380 $100.

I wnet to a gun show this last Friday just to look more than anything else. While there a guy at a table was "trying" to sell some primers for 100.00 per thousand. I didn't look for any .380 ammo but did notice that there wasnt as much ammo or components as usual, most all of it was pretty high priced. I saw 5 round boxes of 12 ga 2 3/4 inch slugs for between 5-6 bucks. After the gun show I went down to Wally world and bought the same 12 ga slugs in the 15 round box for less than 9 dollars. After getting home I went down to the local gun store and he had a pile of new Hornady .380 ammo and some .22 ammo 15.50 per box of 333 rounds, the same 22 ammo at the gun show as 20 bucks per box and the gun show dealer told a kid that had just bought a box "I have plenty more, ya want some more"? So what do you think is happening with this ammo and component shortage?

Regards

BudT

FW!

Was that $100 for 3, 100 rd boxes of .380s??? That is not a bad deal for these times. The Walmart down here still has no handgun ammo. Still got a hand printed piece of paper on the ammo cabinet at Walmart that says handgun ammo (by caliber) is not in stock but on order. Maybe people down here shoot more. I hear near and distant shooting most everyday and more so on weekends.

Wisconsin Cartridge Company (www.wisconsincartridge.com) has .380acp ammo at $31.50/100. Even though the ammo is reloads, still a good price, considering the "political climate".

It's caused mostly by hoarding - everyone is out to get whatever they can
(I plead guilty too) since they are concerned that the political climate will put some limit on ammo purchases. This could be either through taxes on ammo, registration to buy ammo, etc. I've seen this all before (as many of you have) and as previous posts indicated the shortage will dissappear and I agree -- but higher prices are here to stay.

That was $100. a box. A dollor a shot

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Originally Posted by M1 Rifleman

Wisconsin Cartridge Company (www.wisconsincartridge.com) has .380acp ammo at $31.50/100. Even though the ammo is reloads, still a good price, considering the "political climate".

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Did you read the "Attention" link at Wisconsin Cartridge? Pretty much what's been said in this thread.

Check it out:


http://www.wisconsincartridge.com/pr...-attention.pdf

JB-

Yes, I've read the Wisconsin Cartridge attachment you addressed above. The attachment doesn't indicate that they won't supply ammunition, but merely that orders UNDER 250 rounds will be filled first. The thread began with .380acp ammunition being a dollar a round. The attachment refers to 100 rounds of .308 ammunition that might never be filled. The .380acp and .308 are two totally different types of ammunition.

I was merely suggesting another source for a very hard-to-get ammunition type.

I'm just glad I saved all my .380 empties, and have plenty of components on hand to keep reloading them.

Gonna really be interesting come autumn when folks start traipsing into WalMart before hunting season...

dale

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Originally Posted by M1 Rifleman

JB-

I was merely suggesting another source for a very hard-to-get ammunition type.

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I understand that you were citing another source. It's just that the statement implies a serious backlog and that was written several months ago. Buyers should be aware of a possible long lead time if placing an order. Same goes for Gad Custom as Bernold is so far backed up his head is spinning. He does get the orders out but it's taking him a couple extra weeks to do it. The shortages of reloading components are hitting the reloading houses almost as hard as it's hitting the rest of us.

Friendship/Adams isn't very far from Petenwell and Castle Rock on the eastern side. If I get up there for some walleye fishing this year I may have to check them out when I head into town.

.380 is the only ammo getting exspensiv. Sportsman Guide is selling federal .223 at $999.99 fpr a 1000 round case. Abuck a round . If you belong to thier club it is 95 cents a rd. Here on Long Island one dealer is selling .308 for 42.95 abox of 20. However he has to make a living as he is paying 31 for the box. Another dealer has LC 30-06 for 12 buck for a 20 rd. box maximum purchase 5 boxes.
Pete

I sure am glad I read this thread. I sold my 380 awhile back and had 5 of the 100 round boxes of the Winchester white box left. I carried them to my local sporting goods store and told him to but $100 on each box. Went back yesterday and they were all gone. $500 in one day. I guess it is time to clean out the ammo locker. I think in 6 months, there will be plenty of ammo once the feeding frenzy is over.

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Originally Posted by Ken C.

I would like to say I saw it coming, but I didnt. I bought a bullet mould and loading dies for the .380 a year or so back, figuring it would probably be a P.I.T.A. to reload the little buggers, but willing to give it a try. After reading this thread, Im glad I did.:dancingbanana:

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.380 isn't hard to reload, and those little 95grain lead bullets work just fine.
lee makes a little mould for about 15 bucks. I have also used a 9mm 124grain cast lead bullet in the .380 in a keltec and it also worked.

".380 isn't hard to reload, and those little 95grain lead bullets work just fine.
lee makes a little mould for about 15 bucks. I have also used a 9mm 124grain cast lead bullet in the .380 in a keltec and it also worked."

I discovered that, Ron. I did wind up loading about 6 boxes last year and they were no problem after figuring out the best die adjustment.The little stingers work nicely in the .38 Special, (and probably the 9 m/m) as well as the .380, depending on how they are sized, and would probably do okay in the .357, but I dont know. At any rate, I was in the Dicks Sporting Goods store today and out of curiosity asked about .380 ammo. As it happened, they were out of stock, but their current price for 50 was 18. bux, not so much different than the 14. something I paid over a year ago.