Vintage ammo data

Great French site for European Cartridges:

DOCUMENTS MUNITIONS INDEX

LOTS of tech data and ancient factory drawings.

These are difficult to find and somewhat rare:

the first one is the Lebel cartridge Mle 1895 2nd Type which fires a lead spherical ball with reduced loading for 15 meter practice

the second is the 8mm Lebel five star crimp cartridge used with the Viven-Bessieres rifle grenade launcher. This cartridge was used with the message grenade for sending messages from one section to anotherAttachment 56021Attachment 56022

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Originally Posted by RCS

the message grenade

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I know a few guys I'd have liked to send a message grenade to...as always RCS, thanks for the neat old stuff. Unavailable as f*ck to those of that didn't start early enough. That gallery type round would be fun too.

Thanks Jim, For those that do not know, the Viven-Bessieres rifle grenade had a hole through the center and you had to fire a ball cartridge to launch the grenade, with the message grenade you had to use the special five star crimp cartridge (the blanks are different). The message grenade contained a fuze which at the end of the fuze cycle would detonate a small smoke packet so that the message grenade could be found. All this in 1917 too.

The Viven-Bessieres launchers were also made for the Springfield Model 1903 and the US Model 1917. Only the French Lebel rifle was used with the Viven-Bessieres

Thought I would share a couple large express rounds one modern and one from the golden age of shooting, centre pic from left;

Left ~ Kynoch 600 Nitro Express for the big doubles 900grain projie for @ 6000+ FPE

Centre ~ 2000 grain 700 Nitro express projectile S.P

Right ~ 700 Nitro Express cartridge case Bertram purported this rifle is the hardest hitting of commercially available weapons with 14,000FPE.

The 950 JDJ of which there are only 3 made was an experiment to have the biggest and baddest has 200+ lbs recoil energy where as a 460WM has @ 108 lbs recoil energy, and not the most pleasant to fire off a bench trust me.

Also included a couple a pics of some of the metrics I have a Blohmn & Voss is on the extreme left 5th from the left is a 5.7! x 43 Sako, centre is the Nimrod (Skinny tall one) and 2nd to the Rt of the Nimrod is a Schuler round. (People may recognise all of the metrics shown but the thread would have been huge for to name each one individually)

I have collected the Weatherby line just missing the 30/378 (on the bucket list) from that line up and showing the discontinued 224WM.
The bottom is a Carcano clip ? marked with BPD 34 info on this one would be good as apparently the brass ones are reasonably collectible, also shown a 10 Gauge shotgun Kynoch full metal case

I have been collecting different cartridges for a long time too and it is always interesting to look at other collections.

first photo: 303 British, 500/450 Nitro, 475 No 2, 470 H&H, 505 Gibbs, 500 Eley & 577 NitroAttachment 56080

second photo: Attachment 56081 shows the Sharps cartridges

Couldn´t find the BP Werder cartridge ...