1945 Remington Rand w/ Box - Is this a fake?

Mike,

I have also seen NIB Remington Rands in serial number ranges other than the 2.4 million range, and there is no way of knowing if they were original to the box or not. My thoughts were that really nice pistols were mated up with later boxes as there are a lot more really nice pistols than boxes. Several years back I bought a really nice 2.4 million Remington Rand and the seller provided the information that at one time he had the original box but "let it get away".

Also, how many Colt, Ithaca, or US&S do you see in a genuine original box. There were quite a few of the original boxed Remington Rands sold through the NRA/DCM, and all I have seen were in the 2.4 million range.

Johnny, Thank you much. Most I have seen were in the 2.4 million range as well.

At the NGD show recently there was a US&S in the box, an early no P gun. It was in a nice box and looked good. It was very nicely refinished. It was offered to me and a couple friends at set up for $3500 saying he would price it at $4500. The plunger tube had no finish. It sold early the next day for $4500. Somebody took a major hit.

The RR looks fine to me. The slide is not refinished. For one thing, see how the rear sight is a little darker than the slide - they did not remove the sights when re-Parkerizing, so the sights would be the same shade as the slide if it were refinished. Plus, in indirect light, the slide actually looks a little darker than the frame, which is seen with many late RRs. The frame is obviously not refinished - bare steel in the Ordnance mark.

Is the kraft box from the 1940s or 1960s?

I'd never heard of tumbling slides before!

I just found this old thread; here goes!

Even if different parts are made from the same steel, the changes caused by heat-treatment can cause subsequent differences in finish texture and colour.

With slides usually being generally harder than frames, this shows up quite often.

The ONLY i911s I have ever seen in those boxes were a small batch "recovered" from a big warehouse in Viet Nam a bit over a decade ago.

These guns were definitely the "real deal".

Not only were they "refurbished" guns sent to the Saigon government "sometime pre-1975", they ALL had protective bands of a sort-of "waxed" fabric wrapped around the barrel/frame forward of the trigger-guard, and around the grip.

Thus "padded", the guns were then packed and SEALED in a fabric "envelope" that was treated with some sort of corrosion inhibitor and had a fair amount of "text" on the outside.

There was one gun in a bag per cardboard box.

The guns were UNPACKED, cleaned and inspected before being shipped to Australia.

Interestingly, ALL the guns examined were "bitzas", assembled from parts from every supplier but Singer. (We did look VERY closely!!) ALL were apparently re-finished by the usual blast / phosphate process before being packed and shipped.

Hard to get more "authentic" than that, "mix-masters" or not.

Before you book your tickets to "Down Under"; the number shipped to Oz was very small. Those that survived Jackboot Johnny's handgun purge are in the hands of VERY small band of collectors.

Bruce the ruling that was made by JWH (We all know it was unconstitutional) did that encompass licensed semi autos for club use as I thought they would have been exempt from that draconian knee jerk reaction pushed by the Greens ooops sorry Badger.......