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Hey guys,
I purchased a small lot of parts and in it i have a SMLE metal butt plate with a brass trapdoor.
Now i know i have read about those somewhere but for the life of me i can't seem to remember where or when.
Anybody know when these were used ?
Were they for a special variation of rifles or just a WW1 short production due to the brass shortage ?
Any info on these would be greatly appreciated. Thx
Should be No4 butt plate. Zamak was used in WWII due to lack of brass. Somebody replaced the trapdoor.
No it is definitively a Sht LE (No1) pattern.
The pin for the butt trap goes through the plate like the brass ones, and the tang is also the same shape.
Here's pisc of it, in the middle.
The first to the left is a common SMLE brass and the third to the left is a No4.
Looks like it has a BSA proof mark on the tang but it is very hard to make out.
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**Update... i've just found a reference of it in Skennerton's book as the ''3rd variation'', made in WW I
The steel butt plate with brass trap was fitted to the Peddled scheme rifles. They were made by Lindley Co I believe.
Have one on my 1918 SMLE .22
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The 'Peddled Scheme"
Standard Small Arms was formed by Mr S J Waring (later Lord Waring, 1860-1940) of the Waring & Gillow concern ,together with a Mr Peterson, who was a man of standing in the Birmingham gun trade. They believed that the skills of the Birmingham gun trade were being neglected and could be more fully utilised in the war effort than they were. They planned to make all of the action and the nosecap, less magazines, screws and pins, and organise eight small firms and a number of individuals in the trade (probably outworkers, of whom a great many worked in the trade at that time). The barrels were to be subcontracted to Westley Richards and the wood to be cut by Waring & Gillow and Rudders & Payne (both these firms eventually dropped out). They contracted to supply rifles at 75/- each, which was the same price that BSA was paid.
After a year or so it became apparent that the factory would never produce complete arms and it was instructed to produce four items; body with charger guide, bolt, bolt head and trigger guard. The company was to produce 1500 sets of components a week, rising to 4,000 when new machinery was installed. Other firms were contracted to produce less specialist items, the sets of components being delivered to Enfield for assembly in the bayonet shop, production of which was shifted to Wilkinsons and Sanderson Brothers & Newbold.
The downside of this scheme was that it only allowed for the exact number of components needed. Thus assembly of rifles was held up for want of quite minor items which inexperienced firms were struggling to produce. The scheme was revised in 1916 and became known as the Rifle Components Pool, taking every component which the 'Big Three' (RSAF Enfield, BSA & LSA) could make in excess of their complete rifle production as well as all that Standard Small Arms could turn out, and those produced by the 'peddled scheme' firms. Ordnance could also draw on the pool for repair parts. A considerable stock of components was built up so that any of the Big Three could draw on it if short of some item, and this was done continuously by LSA, and occasionally by BSA, and by Enfield (the pool being on the spot). Standard Small Arms did not attain an output of 2,000 bodies a week until April 1917 and two years after the start of work only 5-6,000 had been produced. By this time SSA were in financial difficulties and a government loan had to be made to keep them going.
On June 1st 1918 the factory became National Rifle Factory No.1 with Mr Peterson as superintendent and instructed to prepare for manufacture of components of the Farquhar-Hill automatic rifle, although NRF-marked SMLE bodies were made after this. SSA seem to have turned out 2,000-4,000 bodies a week, depending on the Ministry of Munitions' requirements at the time.
From the records of the ‘National’ factories :
The National Factory Scheme
In August 1914 the state-owned ordnance factories were providing the Army with about a third of its weapons and at this time there were only sixteen firms tendering for War Office munitions contracts:
WG Armstrong Whitworth & Co. Ltd.
Harper Sons & Bean Ltd.
William Beardmore & Company
Head Wrightson & Co.
Cammell Laird & Company
Kings Norton Metal Co.
Coventry Ordnance Works
The Projectile Co. (1902) Ltd.
Dick Kerr & Company
Rees Roturbo Manufacturing Co.
The Electric & Ordnance Accessories Co.
Vickers Ltd.
T Firth & Sons
J & P Hill
Hadfields Ltd.
Watson Laidlaw & Co.
The first few months of the Ministry’s existence saw the establishment of an imposing group of national factories so that by the end of December 1915, there were 73 new sites. The new factories would be Government property and the armament firms were responsible for the design, construction and to provide managers to run them as agents for the Ministry. These were in addition to the Royal Factories conceded from the War Office at Enfield Lock, Farnborough, Waltham Abbey and Woolwich. By the end of the war, this array of national factories had increased, both in number and in the variety of the products. Over 218 new or adapted factories .(so, for example as the Standard Small Arms factory failed to achieve its targets it was ‘taken over’ by the Government with the old SSA managing it) were in operation and covered not only every kind of munitions, from cannon and aeroplanes to small-arms ammunition, but also centres for the production of ball-bearings and concrete slabs.
Birmingham NRF No.1 (Lench Street)
Management: Standard Small Arms Company Ltd. Products: Farquahar-Hill automatic rifle. Notes: abandoned in October 1918 before production started.
Birmingham NRF No. 2 (Garrrison Lane)
Management: Standard Small Arms Company Ltd. Products: Fraquahaer-Hill automatic rifle. Notes: abandoned in October 1918 before production started.
These butt plates were not Peddled scheme specific, i have seen them on others