Late War Inland, Underwood rebuild

This gorgeous carbine really deserves its own thread. The stock is the cleanest stock I have ever had, and was probably new when put on during rebuild. Metal wear is minimal. From the makeup of the parts, it is possible that when Underwood rebuilt it after the war, they stamped the Inland slid and put it in a new old stock SG stock with U rebuild stamp.

NO THE SG STOCK IS NOT FOR SALE OR TRADE! It is part of this carbine's history.

Inland with Serial number 6400389. The barrel is Inland dated 11-44 which seems about right. It has a Type III rear sight "I.R. Co" stamped, which appears to be correct and original, a Type III band and lug "KI" which would be original. The bore is bright and muzzle crown is crisp. Did not have a gauge or M2 ball to check, but it looks awesome.

It has an Inland trigger housing is a type 5 with the vertical Inland stamp.
Hammer is either HI or NI, indistinct, mag catch is Type 3:rofl: stamped HI, and safety is Type 3 push safety, unmarked.

The bolt is Type 3 round, stamped A.I. and blued with wear, which would also be correct. The slide is a Type V with Inland part number inside and large U Underwood rebuild randomly stamped on the bottom of the box.

The stock is pristine. It has SG in a box and crossed cannons on the right side. It has an Underwood rebuild stamp ".U." just behind the wrist on the left side, and an X and some other letters in the sling well.

More to come. In almost 40 years of using, shooting and having M1 Carbines, this is bar far the nicest I have ever owned. It surpasses the 1943 "correct" Inland I got from the family of a retired Army officer who served in the ETO in WW 2!

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My understanding it was from an elderly gentleman's estate in our county (in northern California). He apparently had over 18 Carbines, all prime contractors and some variations. I believe this is the last one from the estate.

It would be a mortal sin at least to separate the stock from the carbine. I have a feeling it came into Underwood with a bad stock, was inspected, stamped, and then put in a NOS SG stock with a Winchester recoil plate. Oh, by the way, the Handguard is a correct Type 3 four rivet, with an IO stamp.

My friend who also works at my buddy's gunshop took it to his property and test fired a couple magazines through it. He said it was dead nuts on at 50-75 yards Yes, this will be a shooter for me. I don't believe in safe queens.

I do think, however, that it is so nice that I will probably used my 581 Series Stainless Mini-14 shooting MK262 MOD1 77 grainers for my home defensive carbine!

The ".U." stamp on the wrist is pretty cool. I had not seen that before! Thank you for teaching me something today.

Did it come with a buttplate? Interesting that the number on the slide is on the inside of the box, believe they are usually on the outside. My brother has a pretty nice 6.41M Inland that came from the CMP for $495 in 2007. That one has a Type 2 rear and "R" marked front sight. His barrel date is 11-44 just like yours. Here's a pic of the slide on it. - Bob

I stand corrected, the part number was on the outside of the box on the slide.. Senior moment.

Nice rifle.
Your Inland looks very similar to my Standard Products which appears to be a late war that perhaps never saw service and was upgraded (sights Bayo lug etc...) rather than rebuilt.
Mine came from a similar home with many others carbines to keep him company.

This is a nice Inland that has been rebuilt. The U on the outside of the box is just an inspection stamp used by Inland. You have a nice one IM.

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Did it come with a buttplate? Interesting that the number on the slide is on the inside of the box, believe they are usually on the outside. My brother has a pretty nice 6.41M Inland that came from the CMP for $495 in 2007. That one has a Type 2 rear and "R" marked front sight. His barrel date is 11-44 just like yours. Here's a pic of the slide on it. - Bob

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Yes, it has a very clean buttplate, which came in a bag with the screw and two 15s and a 5 rounder.

I like the recoil plate screw.:beerchug:

Yep, I need to check that. I have original screws and escutcheons.

Just picked up a decent WW2 Imperial leather handled M4 in M8 sheath on ebay for $125 including shipping. Worn, but blade appears unmolested and unsharpened, Leather in good shaped with smooth grooves, though sheath has a minor issue on tip. Considering how much original leather handled bayonets are going for, I was happy with the deal. Nice thing about the Imperials is they were all 1944/1945 production.

I still see them occasionally in that price range. You just need to be in the right place at the right time. That's what I paid for the last one I bought a little less than a year ago. It is a Utica in an M8 scabbard.

Stoped by the gunshop to visit my Inland. Put an M2 ball round in the muzzle and it showed a full quarter inch! I am safe in saying, ME is less than 1!

Very likely! That is a tight barrel.

Too Bad about the cracked gas cylinder.......... :dancingbanana:

LOL! NowIam going to be sleepless until I cna check it! I do know Browningauto had one with a cracked gas cylinder, though!

Digging through my carbine stuff I kept: Besides a big stack of 15 and 30 round mags and about 900 rounds of assorted ammo I found MRT marked D tip USGI sling, IS Oiler, a repop carbine canvas case, extra recoil plate screw and escutcheon, several 10 1/4” extra recoil springs , a NIW grenade sight and pouch, all the parts to rebuild a bolt, a GI bolt tool and gas piston but wrench, an extra front sight, and brass and reloading dies. I am glad I resisted the impulse to sell it all off when I traded off the last Carbine.

Good going Charlie. Poor guy has been having carbine withdrawal since he sold his last one and has been on pins and needles waiting for his new one. And you turn around and give him the Big One so he is rushed to the hospital where he is treated but must now be quarantined for at least two more weeks without his carbine. And then by chance he was near someone with the Beer Virus he can't go out for another two weeks. Of course his Governor closes down all ranges because of fire hazards so it may be years before he can even shoot his carbine. By the way, any snow today?

Heck of it is, my FFL called me and saidCOVID has bogged things down so much FFL told me that it is taking 18-21 days to get the ten day clearance.

Went through and totaled up my Carbine ammo. 350 rounds R-P 110 JSP, 250 round R-P 110 FMJ, 400 rounds reloads 110 grain- Ranier plated over 14.7 grains of W-W 296, a 50 round box of WW2 Kings Mill, 150 rounds of 115 lead moly coated Bear Creek bullet loads, and one box of 25 Hornady critical defense. Then I still have dies, another 500 or 600 rounds of brass, and more moly coat Bear Creek.

Should keep me going for awhile... When I use a carbine for a HD carbine, I keep a 15 round mag of Critical defense in the weapon and a mag each of 110 JSP R-P and 110 FMJ R-P in the stock pouch. Should be enough to take care of any Goblins. Trolls, Zombies, felons, and Raving Insurrectionists that threaten the homewstead!

Sounds like you are all set on ammo but what about the JB Weld for that gas cylinder? :lol:

If you use JB Weld be sure to clean with acetone first and at a temp. around 80*:beerchug:

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:LOL! You guys are terrible!

Holy cow. I got the package that was supposed to be the bayonet and it was a cr@ppy piece of plastic sculpture of a ocean wave with a horse head!!!!!! Either the eBay seller mixed packages or it was a scam. I have been trying for two days to get an answer from him but got nadda. One more day and I report him and get refund and leave bad review.

Is it at least a WWII vintage horse head sculpture?? Maybe you missed the fine print in the listing.

You could JB Weld it to the end of the barrel and use it as an "blunt force impact weapon."

Now there is an idea👍😁

You've bought Trench Art.... :confused:

Maker was from Horsehead Bay, WA.
Also known as BAY OF NETS

Good Luck with that !



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You might as well post some pictures of it! :thup: - Bob

Post the auction link....... Or date of ending, might find it searching completed auctions.

Heck If it's still listed, I might bid on it, worth a roll of the dice for that kinda $$

Sorry no friends when it comes to a nice M4 :D

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I have actually been to Horse head Bay!

Sad things paypal will not let me file a claim under buyer protection because it was ebay. ebay gives the seller 30 days to respond and refund before they take action. At this point, I'm out $135 with no relief in sight. Seller is ignoring me!

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I wonder if the person who bought the horse is happy with the bayonet.

Maybe you'll have the Carbine by the time you hear back from the 'Unicorn' seller.
I'm hoping they didn't send the M4 off to one of those 'BAN BAYONETS' fanatics.

IRM,
No Help ? :dunno:



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LOL! I just heard from seller. Seems the person who got the bayonet wants the plastic sculpture instead! Seller sending pre-paid label to each of us to ship to other.

Oh, that's so ethereal.

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I have been house sitting a friend's ranch in Central California for a month now, just going home to GV a couple days a week to take care of business. The friends are stuck in Europe because of COVID, and their place was burglarized three times in one week, so I stepped in to house sit. I'll be back home in Grass Valley the next three days selling real estate. Hopefully the DROS back up is taken care of and I can get my Mini-14 and M1 Carbine out of jail.

Just got new tracking number for the M4 being shipped from other buyer.

Give us the tracking number and we can all send you a PM when it's delivered. :clap: - Bob

Yippee. Pick it up tomorrow at 930! Tonight I will be like Ralphie in "A Christmas Story" waiting for his Red Ryder BB Gun!:dancingbanana::dancingbanana::dancingbanana:: dancingbanana::dancingbanana:

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Got it! Sweet! The NOS buttplate and screw were in a bag with the paperwork. The mystery of the screw for recoil plate (and why buttplate was off) is solved. When it came in on consignment last year, the gunsmith that checks consignment guns, completely disassembled the gun, and then wiped down the stock with dilute BLO/Mineral Spirits (after taking all the metal off) to clean it. The screw for the recoil plate was lost, so he got a machine screw that was slightly larger, but shorter, and pushed it into the wood, just to hold it in place in the rack. Unknown why he did not put the buttplate back on, though, as he moved to New Mexico after that.

I used my spare NOS recoil plate screw, and put buttplate back on. I also installed an M2 catch, Inland marked) so I can use 30s if I want. I put my MRT marked D tip sling on with an IS oiler, and put the NOS stock pouch on (with a double moleskin around the snap). Looks awesome. Pics in a couple days when I am not so busy.

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Got it! Sweet! The NOS buttplate and screw were in a bag with the paperwork. The mystery of the screw for recoil plate (and why buttplate was off is solved. When it came in on consignment last year, the gunsmith that checks consignment guns, completely disassembled the gun, and then wiped down the stock with dilute BLO/Mineral Spirits (after taking all the metal off) to clean it. The screw for the recoil plate was lost, so he got a machine screw that was slightly larger, but shorter, and pushed it into the wood, just to hold it in place in the rack. Unknown why he did not put the buttplate back on, though, as he moved to New Mexico after that.

I used my spare NOS recoil plate screw, and put buttplate back on. I also installed an M2 catch, Inland marked) so I can use 30s if I want. I put my MRT marked D tip sling on with an IS oiler, and put the NOS stock pouch on (with a double moleskin around the snap). Looks awesome. Pics in a couple days when I am not so busy.

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Anybody that fails to completely reassembly a firearm after cleaning, loses parts in the process and is too cheap/lazy to replace them with the correct part(s) does not deserve to be called a gunsmith. Bubba maybe, but not gunsmith. 😠

I agree. Part of the problem was he had short timer disease. He was fleeing Commiefornia, moving to New Mexico, and lost focus and interest.

Is the buttplate one of the Inland patterns, or maybe if NOS it's an SA? - Bob

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And we wonder why these old rifles are so messed up.....and good riddance to that idiot!!

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he had short timer disease

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Covid maybe?

A: Did you Sanitize the carbine?
B: Wish you would have let us know you had a new one coming in........... :lol:

Enjoy buddy,
Charlie-P777

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It languished so long with the DOJ DROS back up, all the germs on it surely died! I plan on going out aon BLM land east of Knights Ferry, CA to pop a few rounds.

Here is the Stainless Mini-14 I DROSed at the same time:

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There are about 1/2 a dozen buttplates like yours that not everyone agrees on. Winchester, Inland, Saginaw, IP, IBM to name a few. It's looks close enough to an Inland that I'd go with that. It's not one of the SA's that have been seen new in the original packaging. - Bob

US BOB,
The one above is stamped inside out

Good Night........... :wave:

Seriously? My bayonet went out for delivery in Grass Valley (northern CA) yesterday, but today ended up hundreds of miles south in Bakesfield (Southern CA)!!!!!!! WTF is wrong with the postal service? Yesterday, it had the whole tracking trail up to Grass Valley. Today, that all that trail disappeared and it showed up in Bakersfield. REALLY??????

Re-routed due to riots.......
Or potential Covid contamination......... now in 14 day quarantine.......... :D
3 to 1 it will come with some postage$ due !

Went through X-Ray equipment at Grass Valley PO - KNIFE Detected - Fwd straight to the Bakersfield CRIME LAB for further investigation. :nono:

Hmmmm... this morning it says delivered. Hopefully the clerk won't send it back out (the way my luck with this package is going!). Considering what a beauty of a carbine I got for $800, I can't really complain. In the great cosmic scope of things this bayonet episode is just a minor irratation!

Anyone else feel that bayonet rusting away?

'Grass Valley'.......

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Had a chance to run out to some BLM land and pop a few rounds from the Inland. Ammo was 110 Grain 14.7 of WW296 reloads. Magazine was a USGI 15 rounder. I was shooting at dirt clods and misc stuff at 75 to 100 yards, leaning across the roof of the car., Seemed to be pretty much dead on windage wise, but maybe shooting a tad low. I will adjust the sights when I can use a rest and some paper. With front and rear buffers, it was a joy to shoot. Can't wait to get it sighted in.

It always amazes me how easy it is to shoot the M1 carbine. after shooting ARs and AKs more recently, it was really neat to pop off some rounds with this gentle shooting carbine with big punch.

Quick cell pics of the bayonet. Hs what appears to be original M8 Sheath, though I think it was a later one with hanger, but hanger was removed. Needs cleaned, but basically in good condition. Sheath has a bugger on one side of the tip. I could put a repair tip, but that tales away from the history. The blade looks pretty good, and doesn't look to have been sharpened much if at all. I'm happy at $125, even though I had to wait a month.

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I think it is an original M8 without hanger. No signs of there ever being a hanger in the loop or any evidence of stitching at any time. I think I need to first try WD-40, and if that doesn't work, I use the navel jelly to clean the scabbard throat, hilt, and pommel. Probably leave the blade alone. I'll use WD-40 and a brush to clean the leather, then maybe use some Neetsfoot.

Which maker's mark is on the pommel, and does it look like it's ever been off for a rebuild? On the scabbard, take a look for numbers underneath one of the ears on the throat. It's gone now, but I had an M8 with very early numbers there - need to look to see if I still have a picture. - Bob

It doesn’t appear to be rebuilt as it has the starburst peening on the pommel. I’m out of town but I will check for numbers on the sheath when I get home.

Here's a picture of the M8 scabbard with M3 knife that I had. The belt loop on this one is quite a bit shorter than yours. The numbers under the throat "ear" were B1/2N. My others have had B2/2N and B2/3N. I still have an M4 Imperial but it's been through a rebuild. Would still have the M3, but had it on my table at a gunshow with a price about $50 higher than I thought it was worth, and a guy bought it! :banghead: - Bob

Range day! Took the Inland to the range today. Started at 25 yards with the standard M1 Carbine 25 yard acceptance target. with rear sight centered (index marks aligned) and on the 100/150 setting, I easily dumped 15 rounds (from a rest) into the black on the target. (all above the dotted line that shows perfect 100/150 battle sight) With careful aiming, I was able to do 1" to 1.5" three shot groups at 25 yards fairly easily. I did not have to adjust a thing. Ammo was both R-P 110 FMJ, 110 JSP, and FMJ reloads with 15 grains of WW296. All printed to the same POI. I also hit some clay pigeons on the berm at 100 yards, which was nice.

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After I had a last round FTF on the first magazine, I found one of my USGI 15 round mags actually had the mag spring in backwards! Must be one I got last year during Freedom Week. About two years ago I replaced all my 15 round mag springs with NOS USGI springs I got from Numrich in cosmolened packs of ten. In over 100 rounds after that I had zero malfunctions...

All in all, I was very pleased. I think I may use this for my Home defensive Carbine loaded with Hornady Critical Defense ammo. Since I moved back into my neighborhood house (all houses on 1/2 to 5 acres), I think it will have less possible over penetration than my Mini-14 shooting 5.56 M193 55 grainers.

I don't see any bullet holes! ;) - Bob

LOL. It’s not like it was MOA so I didn’t bother to take pictures!!!! That’s just an example for those who don’t know what the target I was referring to is!

Range update: Took it to the range to see how the Carbine shoots. (ME on it was "0", so I doubt if this late 1944/early 1945 original had many rounds through it.

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I started with the M1 Carbine 25 yard battle sight/acceptance target. When they checked carbines for serviceability, they do 10 rounds into this target at 25 yards. If the rounds all went within the dotted lines, it was considered serviceable.

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I did a 5 round group or R-P 110 FMJ at 25 yards, and they were a 1" group, dead center in the black just about the top edge of the bottom dotted line. With the sight on the 100/150 setting, that group puts it dead on at 150 according to the ballistic chart. I did not have to adjust it at all, so it was dialed in when I got it. I then went on to break clay pigeons laying on the 100 yard berm with a 6 o'clock hold. Good enough to whack a zombie/troll/goblin/felon/reaving insurrectionist!

It is now my Home Defense Carbine, loaded with Hornady Critical Defense 110 grain FTX tip, .30 Carbine (2030 fps from GI carbine), which actually clocks about 60 fps faster than GI and 100 fps than R-P.

I should have clarified that this was range day number two, as it was about a week ago in September. I did more clay pigeons than the first time, and used some of my 14.7 grains of WW296 with Rainier plated 110s. Same POI as the R-P 110 FMJ and JSPs.