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1913 Markings Question
I had been looking for a 1917 bayonet to go with my recently acquired M1917. My son said he’d found one in my price range on eBay and bought it for me as a gift (maybe he meant his price range). It has not arrived yet but he did send some of the photographs from the seller. It turns out it is a 1913. It has all of the British proof marks, the broad arrow, the crown, inspectors number etc. on the ricasso with the Remington stamp on the other side marked 1913 10 16. None of the British marks have been crossed out and there is no U.S. stamp (there are a few numbers on the pommel that have been marked out).
My question is: What does this mean? Did it go to Britain and stay there to be used by them and not come back? I was thinking all the 1913s either never made it to Britain even though stamped with the proofs or went to Britain but were shipped back.
I feel like I have seen one before with the British proof marks not crossed out but most I have seen are stamped U.S. with lined out British proofs. My rifle is an Eddystone completely rebuilt at the end of WWII it is an almost perfect mix of Eddystone, Winchester, and Remington parts. So the fact that it has an original Kerr sling from WWI and now a 1913 bayonet is probably either very wrong or adds to it being a mixmaster. I do have to admit that while I thought I would only be happy with a 1917 bayonet the photos of the 1913 show it to be pretty cool in its own right and I like the proof marks not being lined out. I have a couple of spikes from Mosins and a short spike from an Enfield other than a bayonet from a Turkish Mauser this is my first edged milsurp weapon. Can’t wait till it gets here!
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Made in October of 1916 for the British P-14. 1913 is the model not a date. A lot of the 1917's were shipped to GB as lend lease in WWII so it is possible that the rifle would have encountered a 1913 bayonet there if it was indeed lend lease. The bayonet will fit, it was a gift, you think it's cool. I wouldn't worry about it.
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I agree, if fits and works. Keep your eyes open and if a marked 1917 blade comes to you fine but don't hunt.
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The early 13's were made and issued to the UK, it was only after the US joined the war that they took over the 13 production and marked them with US marks, the 17 was made to fit the same rifle chambered in the US 30.06 rather than the UK 303 caliber although they bayonets can be used on either rifle
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Thanks all! I had not paid as much attention as I should have to the bayonet. Lots of very interesting stuff. In the past I was mostly interested in the gun and the bayonet was more of an after thought, just something to complete the purchase but in looking at the 1917 and 1913 I have come across a whole world of interesting stuff (my wife will be so pleased).
Thanks again!
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Your wife will NOT be pleased but she will probably get used to it about 10 years from now. Bayonets and rifles or the desire for them seem to breed like rabbits once you get started and it sounds like you are very, VERY close to getting started. One rifle turns to two, two to five and then you have to start coming up with inventive ways to store them all.
I bought three approximately 25-28 years ago over a several year period. Then kids happened. Kids now mostly on their own and the floodgates opened slowly at first and then boom. I am an official amateur collector/historical presenter.
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To be honest, the collective bayonet knowledge on this forum is out of this world. It's almost worth starting to collect them just for the feedback!
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I started collecting the bayonets during the "children years", more affordable. Now I'm in the process of acquiring rifles for the bayonets.