Searching for an M1 by specific Serial Number - INLAND 6841484

Folks -

I came across some paperwork recently that listed the serial number of the M1 Inland my father had. He sold it around 1988 in the Monmouth County area of New Jersey. I fully regret not taking that weapon when it was offered to me, but at the time I was in no position to store the M1. It was in excellent shape and maintained. I can recall my Uncle (WIA at Chosin Reservoir as a SGT and spent the rest of his days in a wheelchair teaching Chinese History), and my Father (retired with 28 year USMC) discussing that weapon and knowing to keep my mouth shut and just listen while they spoke about its capabilities.

I am trying to post on as many forums as I can to see if there is some way to find this rifle. I fully understand that the current owner may not be in a position to part with it, so I can only offer the information I know about it to share with the current owner.

The Serial Number is Inland 6841484. I understand that shortly after the sale NJ deemed it an assault weapon and the owner may have registered it. I am trying to find a friendly that might have access to that registry but have had no luck so far.

If any of you have any ideas on how to find this needle in the haystack, I sure would appreciate your suggestions. So far, I have or will post on the CMP, USmilitaria and a member of the CMP forum added a post onto the uscarbine30cal site on my behalf.

Thanks you in advance!

I took a look through GunBroker for you. This carbine is not currently listed there. It was worth a shot.

Good luck on your hunt!

Unless you know who pop sold the thing to it's highly unlikely you'll find a specific Carbine. Especially when NJ thinks the Carbine is evil. The Carbine is considered by NJ to be an "assault rifle" and illegal to possess. It appears the Carbine was declared evil long before 1988 though. Something about race riots in 1967 and Plainfield Machine Co being robbed by rioters.

There used to be a website called USCARBINECAL30M1.com and it actually had a registry where owners voluntarily listed their carbines and their features. I just entered my Underwood and my Inland back in April 2020. I tried to pull it up and check for you but it appears the site is temporarily shut down due to some dispute. If you know which gun dealer handled the transaction, you might get lucky and find that they still have their 1988 records. They may even be willing to contact the person they sold it too and offer to broker a deal to sell it back to you. There are also numerous other registries on the internet and you may get lucky there too. Good luck!

Do you know the date on the barrel by chance?

A member on the CMP has reached out to the uscarbine30cal site on my behalf and was told it may take awhile.

I wish I knew what shop he sold them to. I was thinking if I could find out what shops were in business back then I could start calling them.

And no, I don't have any memory of any of the markings. I don't recall any close up pictures of the rifle either.

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Originally Posted by Sunray

Unless you know who pop sold the thing to it's highly unlikely you'll find a specific Carbine. Especially when NJ thinks the Carbine is evil. The Carbine is considered by NJ to be an "assault rifle" and illegal to possess.

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"Assault rifle", in quotes.
I bet they don't. Got a link showing they do?

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Originally Posted by tenOC

"Assault rifle", in quotes.
I bet they don't. Got a link showing they do?

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You'd lose that bet. NJ banned M1 Carbines decades ago. Just search New Jersey Administrative Law to see for yourself.

“M1 Carbine type” is specifically listed as a banned weapon under New Jersey law.

https://www.state.nj.us/njsp/firearm...itle13ch54.pdf

Gents-- The M1 Carbine was banned by name in 1995. Any owners at the time were given a 30 day window to register the "assault weapon" for $50.00 if they wished so folks did some did not and squirreled their M1 carbines away or shipped them to another state with visiting rights to the carbine. If the owner passed away and left the registered carbine, it could not be transferred to a living relative in NJ. It could be shipped out of state or turned into the NJSP for destruction. The New Jersey State Police maintains the registry of "assault weapons".

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Originally Posted by BrianQ

You'd lose that bet. NJ banned M1 Carbines decades ago. Just search New Jersey Administrative Law to see for yourself.

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I bet it's an assault "weapon". Now how am I doing? Huge difference.

An Assault "rifle" is defined by the DOJ as being able to fire fully automatic or select fire. That's the general description. Notice I used no quotes.

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Originally Posted by rcathey

“M1 Carbine type” is specifically listed as a banned weapon under New Jersey law.

https://www.state.nj.us/njsp/firearm...itle13ch54.pdf

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An assault rifle is an assault weapon to NJ. An Assault Weapon is not an Assault Rifle. I'm still challenging Sunray that it's not as he quoted, an "assault rifle".

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Originally Posted by tenOC

I bet it's an assault "weapon". Now how am I doing? Huge difference.

An Assault "rifle" is defined by the DOJ as being able to fire fully automatic or select fire. That's the general description. Notice I used no quotes.

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An assault rifle is an assault weapon to NJ. An Assault Weapon is not an Assault Rifle. I'm still challenging Sunray that it's not as he quoted, an "assault rifle".

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Gents-- You are mixing terminalogy between NJ Law (which is confusing to begin with) and Federal Law. An assault rifle is prohibited in NJ as it has the capability of full automatic fire. An "assault weapon" is defined within NJ law as any semi-automatic pistol, rifle or shotgun that within each of those categories as features that make them "assault weapons". The idiot NJ law makers forgot that as defined by Federal law there is a fourth category called "Other" which they forgot to include in the law and you can all of the "evils" on a weapon defined as "Other".

Does anyone on here have the ability to access the NJ database so I can avoid a more formally inquiry? Or know someone who is friendly to my plight?

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Originally Posted by able fox

Does anyone on here have the ability to access the NJ database so I can avoid a more formally inquiry? Or know someone who is friendly to my plight?

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Able Fox-- I would check and see if there is a system of "freedom of information act" similiar to Federal laws and make a written request to the NJ State Police Firearms Investigation Unit. The worst they can tell you is No!

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Originally Posted by fjruple

Gents-- You are mixing terminalogy between NJ Law (which is confusing to begin with) and Federal Law. An assault rifle is prohibited in NJ as it has the capability of full automatic fire. An "assault weapon" is defined within NJ law as any semi-automatic pistol, rifle or shotgun that within each of those categories as features that make them "assault weapons". The idiot NJ law makers forgot that as defined by Federal law there is a fourth category called "Other" which they forgot to include in the law and you can all of the "evils" on a weapon defined as "Other".

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Your statement would read that NJ has a definition and legislation for an assault rifle then.

I'm not the one confused nor mixing terms so you're quoting the wrong person which adds confusion. I'm clarifying. Quotes were used in Sunrays post, therefore the source document must be available to prove the quote. So, no. I'm not confused having already stated the difference between the two.

We can assume the quote is another false statement or he would've posted the document if he had one. He could also acknowledge he made a mistake I suppose.

I searched NJ/gov's site and find no definition for "assault rifle" anywhere, hence the initial question. The M1 Carbine is not defined as an asault rifle. It's defined as an "assault firearm" which is a semi-automatic with a detachable magazine and having some additional features. Legal terms/definitions are all that matter when quoting legal declarations. Your attorney is limited to them.

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Originally Posted by tenOC

Your statement would read that NJ has a definition and legislation for an assault rifle then.

I'm not the one confused nor mixing terms so you're quoting the wrong person which adds confusion. I'm clarifying. Quotes were used in Sunrays post, therefore the source document must be available to prove the quote. So, no. I'm not confused having already stated the difference between the two.

We can assume the quote is another false statement or he would've posted the document if he had one. He could also acknowledge he made a mistake I suppose.

I searched NJ/gov's site and find no definition for "assault rifle" anywhere, hence the initial question. The M1 Carbine is not defined as an asault rifle. It's defined as an "assault firearm" which is a semi-automatic with a detachable magazine and having some additional features. Legal terms/definitions are all that matter when quoting legal declarations. Your attorney is limited to them.

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There is no definition of "assault rifle" in NJ state statutes. An assault rifle is a rifle capable of both semi-auto and full auto fire. Under the NJ definition of "machine gun" any weapon capable of full auto fire is prohibited. There is also several presumptions that are in play here in regards to NJ firearms statues. First, you are guilty until you can provide that you are innocent. Second, there is no reason to assume there is any logic to the statues. For example, The M1 Carbine and other models like the "plainfield carbine" are banned by name. but if you produced an exact copy and call it the "NJ carbine" it would not be ban. The second part of that equation is firearms that are "substantially identical". The interpretation of that part of the law is not in the statutes themselves but a ruling by the NJ Attorney Generals Office. Confused enough yet. Given that it an interpretation by the Attorney General's Office that interpretation can change with each administration that comes into office. Well, if you want to fight it in the NJ courts get your bank roll out as the courts are in lock step with the antigun administration until you get to the Federal court system. In the meantime you are spending hundreds of thousand of dollars on bail and lawyers fees. That's is the reality of the NJ justice system. NJ is NOT a gun friendly place to be.

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Originally Posted by tenOC

Quotes were used in Sunrays post, therefore the source document must be available to prove the quote.

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That'll never happen. He just throws thing in like that and leaves...

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Originally Posted by tenOC

He could also acknowledge he made a mistake I suppose.

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Never happen...

Agreed, BAR.

NJ is not a mystery to me as far as how skewed it is against traditional American values. It's progressing exactly as the rulers there want it.

Anyway, that's a very late Inland. I wouldn't be surprised if it was either a 'hand-stamp' on the M'1' or actually marked 'M2', in which case it probably no longer exists.

Wasn't an M2 selective fire? I do know this was semi automatic.

Yes the M2 was select fire. It had a switch on the left side to select between semi auto and full auto fire.

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Originally Posted by able fox

Wasn't an M2 selective fire? I do know this was semi automatic.

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Actually, no. If it's stamped M2 on the receiver ring, it's a machinegun. That's according to 'the man'.

Hello. Hope you guys don't mind but trying to keep this thread alive so I can continue the search for Dads M1 carbine serial number 6841484

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Originally Posted by able fox

trying to keep this thread alive

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You can't find if you don't look.

You actually made me get out of my chair and recheck mine to see if I had yours, so thank you for giving me a reason to take it out of the safe. Unfortunately, mine is 831,xxx but I will keep an eye out for it at the auctions and gun shows when they resume.

At this time it is not on the CMP Forum's Serial number list on page 43. But worth watching because they still update it as SN's are reported.

M1/M2 Carbine serial Number thread - Page 43 - CMP Forums

Good Luck Able Fox, Maybe 2021 will be your year!

Thank you allnso much.

Just giving this a bump to the top. I continue to search.