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#1029XXX colt seems to be 1943 but no GHD. has instead a RM by the left trigger guard
bow. I am looking in " Military Firearms " catalog 5th ed. also seems this ser# was shared with Rem Rand? It looks to be in very good and what I call original condition,but what do I know? Any info will be gratefully appreciated.
Which is it? In another post you say it is a 1.2 million?
"looking at the pics (and off this subject a little) what does a RM where the GHD is mean.
It's on a 1.2mil colt.(1943?)"
Serial number 1029XXX is a Remington Rand, but should have an FJA acceptance mark. I suspect it has a Colt slide.
sorry I got the # wrong it is a 102XXXX I just got it wrong in my haste. I don't have the pistol and the owner isnt as ate up as i am with history and just wanted to know the year and knew i liked to do the research. I am out to lunch when it comes to the 1911/1911 A1.
It's not RM but FJA and info I got is it's an Ithaca arms, production 1943-45. the book reads un numbered slide which checks out but the slide is a colt(at least it has the rearing colt in the middle of all the wording on the left side. (to set the record straight I looked at it first in
the new save the planet lighting which we all know is xxxx and when I picked it up today I saw FJA in sun light as plain as day)( no pun intended) My next question is did Ithaca use colt slides? is this a rebuild? I have taken some pics and as soon as I can I will post them.
Yes, Ithaca did use some Colt slides, but they were new production and were not Colt marked. Ithaca finished the slides and marked them with their logo.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveN
Your pistol could be a rebuild, or just something put together after it left the military. Maybe pictures will help.
I discovered where the ser# for what I thought was un #ed behind firing pin plate(did I mention I'm a newbee) 1101 above hole and 82 3 below hole. is that a 4 digit ser# or a 7 digit ser# It's either a 1912 colt or a 1943 colt? or not? if former would that be a 1911 on a rem rand 1911/A1 frame? And is that possible? also the A in FJA has a slight double strike,I don't know if that is anything important?
The slide originally came off Colt No. 1101823 made in July/August of 1943. The receiver is Remington Rand and can't give you the month of manufacture without the serial number.
The acceptance mark, FJA, was hand struck and a bounce/double strike is common.
JP thank you for the info. can I conclude that this is a matching upper and lower since the lower (102971X) is also 1943 or because its a colt upper it's been put together? the finish seems to be a very good match( though remember I thought FJA was RM) I know I will be looking to get a 1911 or 1911A1 of my own soon I hope.
To be matching it would have to have a Remington Rand upper. It has been put together at some time
thanks jp for the info and helping me, it's appreciated.
I am resurrecting this thread as it looks like I will be buying or trading for this 45 soon. it looks like it's 99% sure deal. I know it's basically a shooter and not sure if its a armory rebuild with no armory rebuild marks and it has a series 70 barrel in it but he says he has the original but it has a threaded end (silencer??)who knows? I may try to find a correct barrel but no rush. Any advice on the barrel is appreciated.
oh I'm offering a good trade but what kind of dollar amount would I put on this?
Also if this is a rework of some kind is the ordnance wheel in the first picture top left corner of the lower a Springfield stamping or is that common on Rem rand lowers? The book says consider price as poor if not armory rebuild marked. My thought is it is a refinished as the wear is really a repark that has the markings faded for the lack of the right word. And I would think they would stamp it after park job so I'm confused, but eager to know as much as I can.
The crossed cannons ordnance mark was applied when the pistol was newly manufactured, and indicates acceptance by ordnance.
Any barrel made during WWII would be proper for a rebuild. The barrel in the pistol now may have been threaded for a compensator, but I doubt a silencer.
Since you will be out the price of a barrel, I would think that $750 would be top money for the pistol.
JP,
I thought this was lower than that as it doesn't match ( lower RR and upper colt) but I trust your judgement and in doing so may cost me $200 extra bucks but I am buying off a very close friend and I want it to stay that way.
What your saying is Rem/Rand and others used the ordnance wheel as I thought that was just Springfield. I learn something new everyday,Thanks.
The crossed cannons was the Ordnance acceptance mark beginning in late 1941, and was on virtually all of the small arms produced in WWII. For some reason the 1911A1 produced by Union Switch & Signal did not have the acceptance mark.Quote:
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Hi, You have been getting good advise. If you want to research some on your own, check at http://www.coolgunsite.com . A lot of nice info on USGI 1911's. Good luck, John
Thanks john42768 for the heads up on the 1911 sight. I hope to find time to explore it in more detail.
There's definitely a lot of good info on that site Dave. You can pick up a lot of knowledge there.
I got the Colt/Rem Rand (in the pics) back and what the owner says is the barrel it came with. the only mark on the barrel is a "c" in a box. Most came with the COLT .45 AUTO on the barrel so I wasn't sure. I did some searching and colt did use the "c" in 1945. Perhaps this was used when they reworked this 1911?
The barrel has been in his tool box in the hot humid garage in Florida for 10 years but it cleaned up nicely. The only problem I see is it has been internally threaded at the muzzle by the guy with the tool box (a guy that doesn't have a collectors mind if you know what I mean).
He did think that maybe he should have used the series 70 barrel for his shall we say experiment. I'm working on him.