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Do War Baby!, the Carbine Collectors Club newsletters and other sources agree with Riesch that Inland made the changeover from the 2 rivet to the 4 rivet handguard somewhere around the 5,500,000 serial number range?
I know the former are more accurate and I'm still working on the gaps in the private library.
CCNL 361 says the change over to 4 rivet started aprox. 5,179,xxx
Thanks!
Wow, the book is way off, and that is the "new" edition. I always wondered about how many other errors there were and whether it was even worth annotating once I pick up the other two sources.
I was looking at a 5,256,XXX serial number Inland that looked like it had most of the production changes that happened roughly around the 5,000,000 mark and looked pretty unmolested.
@AD-4NA,Quote:
Originally Posted by Durango56
The earliest 4 Rivet reported to the CC was 5,179,xxx.
2 Rivet HG'S were still being reported after that.
We have a lot more information now, then back when War Baby was printed.
There was always an overlap where earlier and the next phased in parts were used until all the earlier were used up, or all that was coming in to Makers now were the later type.
When 'Newer parts' were just starting to be made the supplier more often than not wasn't fully geared up to make just these types. They didn't have the luxury of time like Ford or Chevy to shut down and Re-tool.
Deliveries were often sent with a mix of earlier and later parts to make a full delivery. No delay in production of carbines was the goal. Especially true when the production of carbines was considered 'Critical'. And ADD Walnut to that Critical list.
Some parts deliveries were delayed getting from the Sub to the Prime because of transport problems such as flooded roads, heavy snow and even Labor issues, etc. We didn't have the Interstate highway systems back then like we have today. Most raw materials were probably shipped by Rail way.
Requests for lateral support parts when delivered could have been the earlier part at a time the Prime maker was well in to using the Later parts. Same with Sub to Sub parts transfers that ended up going to a Prime maker.
Also take in to account early parts being buried over with later parts.
Using the 4 Rivet HG example........ Could mean the first Inland reported with this HG was # 5,179,xxx.
4 Rivet HG's were trickling in and being used as they were dug out of parts bins and storage racks.
With most every part, there was a overlapping 'Transition Period'. Add to this many carbines were not assembled by serial number 'In Order'.
A good rule of thumb: When it comes to the books and Charts, OK to see earlier parts, Questionable to see later parts. Either case needs to be looked at closely for that particular carbine. And the totality of the parts on it.
Nothing went to waste. Any and all parts were used if accepted.
Wasn't it Rock Ola that was using up their Hi-Wood stocks at the end of their production?
Or to further confuse things, think about Underwood working on basically 6 serial number blocks in 1944. This includes the Sub contract made receivers from Intertype (T), Universal Windings (W), United Shoe Mfg (S), Singer Mfg (B), and 2 others- Underwood 2 mil and 4 mil serial blocks... And I forgot Underwoods 6 mil block.... So make that 7 Serial number blocks Underwood was working on in 1944.
IMO The Development and Production of the M1 Carbine would make a great History Channel Documentary
Would have to be better than what I seen a couple weeks ago about the History of Frozen Dinners and Breakfast Cereals in the US and the Tycoons behind them.
VR,
Thank you charlie! That was the best explanation of parts usage for the carbine that I have read yet and just made me understand a whole lot more about what went on and how it went on. If the history channel ever did make a documentary on the carbine, you should definitely be one of the main ones helping to tell the story. I bet you would have made one h*ll of a college professor ha ha
Only if it was Redneck UniversityQuote:
Originally Posted by jond41403
I'm far too 'Right' for todays Universities.
I'd never pass a background check...
And then there's that Plagiarism thing :lol:
I was Class President though, I might be better suited to be a Politician. :rolleyes:
Nope, That wouldn't work either. I respect our Law Enforcement, Military and Borders too much. I just can't agree with paying Illegals not to come here or to build homes for the ones already here when we don't take care of our own Wounded and Homeless Veterans.
A Country Has No Greater Responsibility Than To Care For Those Who Served...
Right on charlie, the biased conditioning in colleges that has been going on for decades is exactly what has led to the mess we see today in our country. Not to get political or anything, but it's true, and everything you said is true as well. Our veterans should always come first
I would suggest finding Chris Albright's CC issue on the 51000,000+ Inland Number group. I don't have mine handy but it is in the 361 series if I recall. He goes through everything in a very comprehensive and accurate account of what you should find on your Inland. My 5.4 was correct down to the springs. It really is a fine work.
Excellent work by Chris A..... As usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveHH
Durango referenced it above in reply #2.
You doing alright Dave ?
I'm fine, just wanted to give Chris some credit. Things are not good out here. My best friend is almost dead under the best care the navy can provide, Kaiser. "Antibiotic induced pneumonia". It is an example of how adding a few million additional patients who vote for a living changes the medical system into a clone of the UK. My wife has to wait for two month for serious surgery and all of their new doctors are foreigners. My doctor is some guy from Syria. Too bad, Kaiser used to be really good. I can always just go to the VA which is really good around here, they can't.