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  1. It is a real WWI 1897 trench gun. It even has...

    It is a real WWI 1897 trench gun. It even has the hand stamped US and Ordnance bomb on the receiver which make it more rare since most of the WWI 1897s did not have the hand stamped marks. Too bad...
  2. Value? There should be three transverse grooves on the...

    There should be three transverse grooves on the underside of the barrel for the bayonet adaptor screws, not two. I think that barrel may be cut down.
  3. About 10 years ago there was a guy who imported a...

    About 10 years ago there was a guy who imported a bunch of those Vietnam trench guns through Canada into the U.S. I recall there being Stevens 520s as well as some Winchester Model 12s. Many of the...
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    According to Brunner in his book on these...

    According to Brunner in his book on these pistols, there were over 2,900 of them shipped to the OSS. They fall into the serial number range of 541103 - 569725. There were also several hundred...
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    Like so many other production tables for the...

    Like so many other production tables for the 1897/97 shotgun, this one ialso has many errors with some dates being off by several years.
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    It's an E, not a D. The early WW2 97s have that...

    It's an E, not a D. The early WW2 97s have that weird kind of serif E whereas the later WW2 guns have a plain non-serif E.
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    Looks good to me. The tiny ordnance crossed...

    Looks good to me.

    The tiny ordnance crossed cannons mark on the bottom flat of the pistol grip is an acceptance stamp for the stock that was used by Springfield Armory during most of WWII.
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    Jim, I can't see a sleeve there. I do see the...

    Jim, I can't see a sleeve there. I do see the band on the barrel for the takedown lever.

    George, I've seen one other TE marked converted riot to trench gun that had the same type forend. Don't...
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    There was an order after WWII to convert riot...

    There was an order after WWII to convert riot guns to trench guns. This gun appears to be one of the converted guns. They used a sleeve on the barrel underneath the bayonet adaptor to make the...
  10. Yes they were during WW2. I believe there are...

    Yes they were during WW2. I believe there are some other manufacturers like Mossberg who uses a 4 row hole heat shield on some of their newer shotguns like the 590.
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    None of the bayonet adaptors that were factory...

    None of the bayonet adaptors that were factory installed on WW2 Model 97 trench guns were W marked. The same goes for the blued adaptors on Model 12 trench guns. There was a new contract provision...
  12. The photo in the book is the one in the first...

    The photo in the book is the one in the first link you posted.
  13. No, it's a different photo in the book.

    No, it's a different photo in the book.
  14. I was actually incorrect by a couple of years in...

    I was actually incorrect by a couple of years in my 2009 post to this thread. A Model 1897 with a serial number in the 732xxx range would have been made in 1920 (at least that is when the receiver...
  15. A riot gun wouldn't have a barrel with a rib.

    A riot gun wouldn't have a barrel with a rib.
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    It appears to be real. But we need additional...

    It appears to be real. But we need additional photos in order to be more certain. Does it have any stock marks?
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    There was a shotgun overhaul program during WWII...

    There was a shotgun overhaul program during WWII in which thousands of long barreled Model 12s had Cutts compensators installed for aerial gunnery training. I assume these guns have bore marks on...
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    Try this shotgun website. Somewhere they even...

    Try this shotgun website. Somewhere they even have a link to ID double barrel shotguns.

    Here's the link: Shotgunworld.com Index page

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  19. That 97 has a lot of issues including, among...

    That 97 has a lot of issues including, among other things, the martial markings. The stock cartouche is totally bogus.
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    My mistake. The photo of the sling I have is...

    My mistake. The photo of the sling I have is actually looks like L S CO, not I S CO as I previously stated. Not sure who L S CO is.
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    Is the sling actually marked I S CO. with a...

    Is the sling actually marked I S CO. with a flaming bomb rather than JSC Co.? There was a company that made M1907 slings who used the mark JCS Co. usually with CEB inspector's initials.
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    You have a real nice late production 97 trench...

    You have a real nice late production 97 trench gun with the plugged front sight bead hole.

    There actually are many with higher serial numbers.
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    So the barrel extensions on both barrels are...

    So the barrel extensions on both barrels are serial numbered to the gun, correct? Maybe it was ordered with two barrels.

    The Cody Firearms Museum has the warehouse records for Model 1897s in...
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    Finding the correct parked barrel might be...

    Finding the correct parked barrel might be difficult but not impossible. You will need a real Model 12 trench gun barrel rather than a riot gun barrel because the bayonet adaptor will not fit...
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    "Would there be a number stamped on the barrel...

    "Would there be a number stamped on the barrel with the early gun?"

    I'm not sure what you mean by that. Barrel should have the date on the underside near the receiver (2 digit number like 39 or...
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